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I have an informal proof that we can't.

Consider a security system S to be a tuple of formal language L and and set T, 
<L,T>. Also consider S to be "secure" if <L,T> is consistent, and "insecure" if 
it is not. (I will also observe that L and T are likely finite, but at most 
countable.) Also note that in this definition, a given system is isomorphic to 
a Model, which is also a tuple of a formal language and a set.

The Adversary gets to play a game in which they make elementary extensions of S 
by writing new symbols of their choosing into L giving L', and in some 
circumstances creating an extension set of T, T'. If they can produce a 
contradiction, they win. Note that this is equivalent to doing things like 
taking a lock that might be secure, but mounting it in a glass door, or finding 
yourself a saws-all to cut through the wall, or introducing side channels like 
power and timing analysis. The system is "truly secure" if there is no way for 
the adversary to create an extension with a contradiction. It is "situationally 
secure" if you can show that a given system or extension is consistent.

While there are certainly some S that are secure, there are many that are not 
and proving the general case is equivalent to proving that models are 
consistent and complete within their extensions. 

It's a complete hand wave, but I think it's pretty obvious that you can get 
some situationally secure systems, but not in the general case.

        Jon


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