Sebastian is right of course.
But now we should find out what the laszlo folks think about this issue.
Further is there a man in laszlosystems who calls the shots?
Or do they also live in the modern matrix organisation.
- rami
I think folks at laszlo should do whatever fits into their products
best. Best for the project will be if a healthy company standing
behind it and supporting the development. After all a big community is
nice but the number of users who will ever do the step from a user to
contributer that adds significant changes to the core is very little.
So in general big communities are good for getting you a job but a big
part of improvements and contributions are done by the one's that are
paid to work at laszlo.
sebastian
2009/9/8 Raju Bitter <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Thanks for the feedback, Sebastian! I get your point. The other
side of the story is, that all the goodies you have with Flash 10
are not integrated into OpenLaszlo (3d transform, new text layout
engine, drawing API, color correction). If there is solid support
for the new text layout features only, that would really enhance
the SWF runtime!
It comes down to the decision if you want to innovate by adopting
new features supported in Flash 9/10, or by trying to support an -
in my eyes - out-dated version of Flash. Flash Player 8 final was
released in 2005, that's a long time ago! The next big thing for
Flash is going to be Flash 10 on Android, webOS and Windows
Mobile. Should OpenLaszlo try to jump onto that train, for the
first time making the SWFx runtime an interesting option for
mobile apps? In the end the Laszlo folks will have to make the
decision, but I have the feeling that the platform is falling
behind other RIA technologies innovation-wise. To me OpenLaszlo is
only interesting if I see that there's enough innovation in the
platform. I've shown with a few demos what can be done with the
DHTML runtime, a bit of HTML 5 or CSS 2/3 support. Some of these
features could be matched in the SWF runtime with better Flash 10
support, and I think that would be a powerful combination.
Other RIA technologies have better tool support, better
documentation and much larger communities = more paid project
work!!! That can be countered by having an interesting feature
set. I don't want to raise the discussion again, but if you look
at the response to release announcements and the activity in the
forums/mailing lists, the community is tiny compared to what it
was like in 2005/2006.
Again, I'd be happy to hear what other community members think.
- Raju
On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Sebastian Wagner wrote:
I think if you do that a lot of folks have their *old* apps and
are forced to sit some weeks in their office trying to shift it
to AS3, stay with the old platform or find another solution.
sebastian
2009/9/8 Raju Bitter <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Hm, no answer? Is that something you don't want to discuss
with the community?
On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:05 AM, Raju Bitter wrote:
Do you still plan to support SWF8 with OL 5.0? I believe
that OL needs to shift the focus to DHTML/HTML5 and Flash 10
instead. Flash 8 is just out-dated by now, and I cannot
imagine good use for the runtime. According to Adobe, Flash
10 is installed on nearly 87% of Internet-connected desktop
computers by now:
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2009/07/welcome-to-the-flash-platform.html
The new Flash 10 features are much more interesting for
OpenLaszlo than continued SWF8 support, especially things
like the improved text engine and 3d functionality.
Flash 10 and mobile: Adobe announced a beta version of Flash
10 player for Android, Palm Pre and other phones for October
(Max 2009). For some time SFW8 was still an option for Flash
Lite 2.1 or 3.0 - although I don't know of any deployed
application, but that will change with the release of Flash
10 player for mobile devices.
I know that Laszlo still uses SWF8 for Webtop, but it will
only be a matter of time until that's not needed any more.
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