Yeah, I had the same problem back when I was doing a lot of Tcl/Tk development, but at least then it was much more interactive - you type the command in one window and it's executed immediately in another. This is even slower, because you type it in one tab (in the ide4Eclipse) and then hit the design tab and then it compiles and eventually shows you what you messed up, then you start the process over again :-(.
As far as sketches and wireframes go, well, that's a given when you do a UI, but not very helpful when you actually sit down to code it, especially with the long cycle time of Laszlo development. It needs to be immediate. For all the polish on this **FABULOUS** project (and I mean that sincerely), I just cannot believe there's no visual editor! For that matter, I cannot believe the dearth of visual XUL editors - they just don't exist, AFAICT. Think about it - VB wouldn't have ever been as popular as it is/was without a visual editor, would it? How much different is dropping OpenLaszlo widgets on a canvas than dropping SWT widgets on a canvas? Maybe I'll check out how Eclipse handles that...Although I'm sure if it were easy it'd be done by now. Bret Bob - Laszlo wrote: > On 07/26/06 16:33, Bret Schuhmacher wrote: >> OK, I just downloaded everything and installed the Eclipse IDE, >> thinking that it'd give me the ability to drag/drop UI components so >> I could prototype quickly and then finish the backend code, but it >> appears I was mistaken. Does OpenLaszlo have any kind of WYSIWYG >> editor available? Even Thinlet has a couple of editors... >> OpenLaszlo looks so cool for creating a rich client Internet app - I >> just can't believe there's no drag/drop visual editor. Please don't >> take this as a slam against OpenLaszlo - it looks *awesome*, but I'm >> a little daunted about the text based layout, which I'll get used to >> if there aren't any tools. > > I had exactly the same experience. > > What do people use for doing the initial graphical design work? > > The docs recommend doing wire-frams and storyboards: > > http://www.laszlosystems.com/lps-3.3/docs/design/designers.html > > With what tools? > > It would be nice to find a graphical design tool that has widgets > based upon the stock openlaszlo components, as found in the Components > section of the OpenLaszlo Explorer: > > http://www.laszlosystems.com/lps-3.0/laszlo-explorer/ > > > > _______________________________________________ Laszlo-user mailing list [email protected] http://www.openlaszlo.org/mailman/listinfo/laszlo-user
