It seems like many people are interested and passionate about OL. If the
company is not very interested in updating and maintaining it, why not
fully open source it and allow the community to continue the work or
fork it?
Chris
On 09/06/2012 12:48 PM, Chris Kohlhardt wrote:
Sorry not to chime in earlier.
I remember the day I first learned about Laszlo, I believe it was in
2003. The moment I saw what Laszlo was doing, I knew their vision was
going to lead us to the future of the web, and I believe in a lot of
ways that has come to be true. I believe Laszlo contributed in many
ways as a stepping stone to a better web.
Additional examples include Pandora (originally a Laszlo app) and
Kayak (which borrowed ideas from a Laszlo demo we built). I have no
direct evidence to support this, but the cinematic effects that Laszlo
created sure do look a lot like what we see in iOS apps today.
OpenLaszlo also got us (Gliffy) to where we are as a business today,
and for that we are grateful to all those who put their time and
effort into the project.
Thank you.
While Laszlo may not directly contribute to future web applications,
in my mind, it definitely will live on in the examples of companies,
ideas, and great people that came out of that project.
Chris Kohlhardt
CEO, Gliffy
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Raju Bitter
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Two of the most prominent products built with OpenLaszlo have decided
to not use the DHTML runtime: Gliffy and OpenMeetings. Is there any
larger application available on a public URL, which utilizes both the
DHTML and SWF runtime? I haven't seen a single one since the launch of
the DHTML runtime in March 2007.
Gliffy:
http://blogs.atlassian.com/2012/04/how-gliffy-is-managing-the-risk-of-re-writing-their-product-in-html5/
" Speed up development time
OpenLaszlo, the language Gliffy was first written with, compiles to
Flash byte code. Even on the best laptops money can buy, we were
seeing up to 30 second compile times between making code changes. By
moving to Javascript / HTML5, a slow compilation step is no longer
needed, and the code/test cycle is down to 5 seconds or less."
In the comment section:
"Does Chris know that OpenLaszlo now compiles to HTML5 ? Did they
stray too far from the OpenLazlo foundation class library to just do a
recompile with minimal changes?
Hi Mark,
Yes, I’m aware of the HTML capabilities of OpenLaszlo (before I
started Gliffy, I worked at Laszlo Systems). We did explore the HTML
capabilities and support of OpenLaszlo before taking on the massive
re-write project. Unfortunately, we concluded that OpenLaszlo wasn’t
the best tool for our needs for a variety of reasons.
-chris"
The OpenMeetings mailing list discussion:
http://goo.gl/VO7EP
"There have been no votes against using OpenLaszlo and compile to
DHTML. However the OpenLaszlo project seems currently no more
maintained. There has been no release since 2010 of the project. The
comunity has downsized by factor of 10.
This is the community activity in the last years:
http://www.openlaszlo.org/pipermail/laszlo-dev/2012-June/024912.html
It is likely that if we are switching to DHTML that we will run into
issues as soon as new browser features of HTML5 will come up as the
Openlaszlo platform does not implement them. It would be actually our
task not only to develop OpenMeetings but also OpenLaszlo.
As DHTML compilation is a quite future orientated task I think we
should choose technology that support mobile devices and constantly
improves its cross-browser capibilities.
And last but not least the question is of course: How can we attract
new users? Chossing OpenLaszlo does actively look-out people as they
are not willing to learn it. We will have much better chances to find
new contributors if we choose a technology people are familiar with."
See this discussion on Stackoverflow as well:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12296700/is-openlaszlos-dual-runtime-approach-html5-and-flash-swf-still-valid
- Raju
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