You're right, they have absolutely nothing to lose, it's better than
just letting it die. There must be someone on this mailing list who has
contact with the company and can speak on our behalf.
Chris
On 09/06/2012 01:07 PM, David Greisen wrote:
That is a question that has been asked many times on this list.
Unfortunately the company never respond. It seems like it would be in
there interest to transfer ownership to the community - they currently
seem to have one or two people working at least part time on OL, and
it has been pointed out several times that there are many people who
would contribute if there was a more open governance/development
process. Since the company no longer appears to do licensing or
support, there wouldn't be a downside to "losing control" of the code.
I'm sure the people who would have to make the decision to open source
never read this mailing list. Perhaps we should contact them directly,
if we are serious about (what's left of) the community taking over OL dev.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Chris Janik <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It seems like many people are interested and passionate about OL.
If the company is not very interested in updating and maintaining
it, why not fully open source it and allow the community to
continue the work or fork it?
Chris
On 09/06/2012 12:48 PM, Chris Kohlhardt wrote:
Sorry not to chime in earlier.
I remember the day I first learned about Laszlo, I believe it was
in 2003. The moment I saw what Laszlo was doing, I knew their
vision was going to lead us to the future of the web, and I
believe in a lot of ways that has come to be true. I believe
Laszlo contributed in many ways as a stepping stone to a better web.
Additional examples include Pandora (originally a Laszlo app) and
Kayak (which borrowed ideas from a Laszlo demo we built). I have
no direct evidence to support this, but the cinematic effects
that Laszlo created sure do look a lot like what we see in iOS
apps today.
OpenLaszlo also got us (Gliffy) to where we are as a business
today, and for that we are grateful to all those who put their
time and effort into the project.
Thank you.
While Laszlo may not directly contribute to future web
applications, in my mind, it definitely will live on in the
examples of companies, ideas, and great people that came out of
that project.
Chris Kohlhardt
CEO, Gliffy
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Raju Bitter
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Two of the most prominent products built with OpenLaszlo have
decided
to not use the DHTML runtime: Gliffy and OpenMeetings. Is
there any
larger application available on a public URL, which utilizes
both the
DHTML and SWF runtime? I haven't seen a single one since the
launch of
the DHTML runtime in March 2007.
Gliffy:
http://blogs.atlassian.com/2012/04/how-gliffy-is-managing-the-risk-of-re-writing-their-product-in-html5/
" Speed up development time
OpenLaszlo, the language Gliffy was first written with,
compiles to
Flash byte code. Even on the best laptops money can buy, we were
seeing up to 30 second compile times between making code
changes. By
moving to Javascript / HTML5, a slow compilation step is no
longer
needed, and the code/test cycle is down to 5 seconds or less."
In the comment section:
"Does Chris know that OpenLaszlo now compiles to HTML5 ? Did they
stray too far from the OpenLazlo foundation class library to
just do a
recompile with minimal changes?
Hi Mark,
Yes, I’m aware of the HTML capabilities of OpenLaszlo (before I
started Gliffy, I worked at Laszlo Systems). We did explore
the HTML
capabilities and support of OpenLaszlo before taking on the
massive
re-write project. Unfortunately, we concluded that OpenLaszlo
wasn’t
the best tool for our needs for a variety of reasons.
-chris"
The OpenMeetings mailing list discussion:
http://goo.gl/VO7EP
"There have been no votes against using OpenLaszlo and compile to
DHTML. However the OpenLaszlo project seems currently no more
maintained. There has been no release since 2010 of the
project. The
comunity has downsized by factor of 10.
This is the community activity in the last years:
http://www.openlaszlo.org/pipermail/laszlo-dev/2012-June/024912.html
It is likely that if we are switching to DHTML that we will
run into
issues as soon as new browser features of HTML5 will come up
as the
Openlaszlo platform does not implement them. It would be
actually our
task not only to develop OpenMeetings but also OpenLaszlo.
As DHTML compilation is a quite future orientated task I think we
should choose technology that support mobile devices and
constantly
improves its cross-browser capibilities.
And last but not least the question is of course: How can we
attract
new users? Chossing OpenLaszlo does actively look-out people
as they
are not willing to learn it. We will have much better chances
to find
new contributors if we choose a technology people are
familiar with."
See this discussion on Stackoverflow as well:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12296700/is-openlaszlos-dual-runtime-approach-html5-and-flash-swf-still-valid
- Raju
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