I agree with Doug, Tom and Graeme. And I wait for a stable version of 5 years. Until then, do not be surprised why there are not many new programmers or users.
Regards, Rigel >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: Doug Chamberlin >Относно: Re: [Lazarus] Is Lazarus project in a downward spiral? >До: Lazarus mailing list >Изпратено на: Понеделник, 2010, Март 8 02:58:22 EET > >I agree with everything Tom has said. I hope everyone takes it to heart. > >I'm one of those who is lurking and waiting for a more stable project >before jumping in and joining the team as a volunteer. I've tried both >FPC and Lazarus and found them wanting for all the reasons that have >already been mentioned. I have no immediate need to use them and >therefore have the luxury of experimenting only but I would like to >commit to using them full time. At the rate things are going I'll >probably end up using Embarcadero's coming cross platform solution >before using FPC/Lazarus. That would be a shame. > >A couple of further specific comments: > >I see a bunch of bugs reported and developers posting that those are >fixed. But unless I wade in and install SVN and figure out how to use it >to update my local source and figure out how to compile FPC and Lazarus >I cannot make use of those bug fixes. So I'm stuck with the choice of >installing a rather old stable version and living with the bugs it has >(that I know have been "fixed") or waiting until a new stable version is >packaged up. I choose to wait (again, because I have no compelling >reason not to). But that, in turn, keeps me away from the project so >that I cannot learn more about it and cannot help out because I'm >forever "on the outside looking in". > >I have avoided CVS, and so far successfully avoided SVN, because I see >them as rather old technology. In contrast, Git is an amazingly powerful >and fresh look at the problem. I'd rather start out using Git. But when >Git was proposed to the FPC/Laz projects it was rather soundly brushed >aside. Another reason for me to stay on the sidelines. > >When 2.4.0 was released I thought, Ok, maybe I should start with that. >So I went about installing and building and learning my way around. Then >came to a crashing halt when I learned you could not build Lazarus using >the 2.4.0 FPC. Huh? Made me wonder if these teams even talk to each >other. Another reason to hold off diving in so I turned aside and got >involved in other things. > >I've been to the web sites and looked for installation instructions and >tutorial help but things are scattered and not easy to find. When this >is mentioned on the mailing lists people respond with direct links to >the items being sought. Yes, that is helpful, but the larger point seems >to be missed. These web sites need to be improved specifically with an >eye toward the new convert. There is some talk of doing that but it is >rather piecemeal. I think a larger initiative is called for. > >I've read the testaments of those who have found FPC/Lazarus to be >production ready. (In fact, those are the things that keep me >interested!) But I get the impression that those testaments are being >received by the core teams as evidence that all is well. If so, please >re-read Tom's message and find some real answers to those questions >because I think there are more people waiting for the big symbolic "1.0" >than there are that have found a way to make the current code work for >them. Reaching 1.0 is important not so much because a 1.0 release would >contain major improvements to the code but more because it would mean >the projects have matured organizationally. That is what I'd like to see. > >Doug C. > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Lazarus mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus > -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
