On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, Marco van de Voort wrote:

> This is already possible? See http://www.freepascal.org/docs.html  the "with 
> comments"
> part.
> 
> > More Marketing
> > -------------------
> > If you want to market Pascal don't expect the FPC devel team to do it.. 
> > expect people like
> > business owners, developers, and website owners to do it. If people see 
> > seven hundred
> > sites using CGI mailer scripts or forums written in Pascal that look cool, 
> > they will say
> > "cool, was written in Pascal".
> 
> I think that is partially correct. What is done with FPC is at least as
> important as how FPC looks, maybe even more important.
> 
> > better) I still see so many of you using PHP based web sites to market
> > Pascal as a good development system. This ain't gonna help Pascal - that's
> > clash. Instead of the PHP extension we need to see something like PSP or
> > PPP or PGI.
> 
> I don't think there lies Pascal's strength. All those webengine systems are 
> already 
> similar, and don't really show a particular strength of FPC/Pascal, they just 
> formulate
> the same problem with slightly different syntax.

While this is correct, we should provide some paradigma to work with web-apps 
in pascal. 
There have been some small efforts, but none really 'click'...

> > I'd go as far as having a button in Lazarus to turn off the component
> > palette. I never use the component palette when making CGI apps, so I
> > don't need it visible. If Delphi had features that allowed you to create
> > applications that weren't so TForm based (but still with RAD capabilities,
> > like inserting snippets of text, etc) then a lot more people wouldn't
> > knock it as a VB clone.
> 
> Waste of good developer time. Maybe in time menubars can be more configurable.

They are already.

> 
> > (Maybe you know I'm working on Plugger for this
> > reason - to help RAD capabilities for non visual apps - and maybe you know
> > I'm trying hard to make RAD development for Pascal Server Pages integrated
> > right into Lazarus IDE through plug-ins.)
> 
> I'm afraid that this partially will fall into the same trap as Eclipse. The
> I of IDE stands for integrated. Having major systems as the designer as 
> plugin system is
> giving up possible integration.
> 
> I think the current Lazarus architecture should never be pluggable or turned 
> off. Maybe the
> plugin system can add additional form types.

It can already. I recently wrote 2 articles about it for Toolbox (a German 
journal).

Michael.

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