On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:08:46AM -0800, johnf wrote:
> > Now you really spoiled it. The only Ruby app I know is the FreeBSD
> > portupgrade package, and it is unbearably slow.
>
> OK guys I like FPC because it's compiled. What I'm suggesting is the OOP in
> python works. Is it perfect - no (no private or protected vars)! Does the
> GUI run slow - maybe. But no general apps written in python - you must be
> kidding. In fact I would suggest there are more python apps in general use
> than FPC apps. Does that mean they could not have been written in FPC - no.
> Just that there are more.
Only saw distro utils in Python, probably none going over the 100-250k lines
border.
> I still say the QT and GTK2 for the LCL is not ready. A lot may have changed
> but two months ago I could not compile 90% of my forms for GTK2 so I
> delivered GTK1.
This is correct. GTK1 and win32 are prodcutions the others not.
> I don't like Ruby but not because it is slow but because it changes the way I
> think about OOP. The only app I know of is "Ruby on Rails" which seems to
> get many excited.
IMHO language should nerely assist rendering your OOP modelling in code. If a
language changes your view on OOP, IMHO you are doing something wrong.
> Now that I have said the above I have some very serious doubts about the
> future of FPC. This thread is proof that my concerns are real.
> M$ is moving to .Net - period.
Well, we already settled that as at least a disputed truth. I'm not an
ostrich, and .NET is not going away, and it is not a temporary fad that will
totally go out. But i seriously doubt it will drive
native down to less than say 30% of the market. And the 70% of .NET will
contain the lower value 40-50% of the software market. And the bulk will
center around ASP.NET, and not .NET apps.
> The only consideration is when will FPC support .Net. IMHO not in the
> next year. But I read statements suggesting that it will never be
> required. That's plain nuts.
It's plain nuts to embark on such an adventure with just a vague idea that
you should follow suit because others do without any serious plan. To be
honest, even if I was convinced that we should go all .NET, the mails of the
.NET evangelists in this thread wouldn't have convinced me to put in any
time.
It is all dreaming and echoing of propaganda/marketing spin of various
people that got in. There is too little thinking going on. Practical
thinking about combining FPC/Lazarus with .NET, thinking about added value,
thinking about a focus, keeping a compability or start over, webdevelopment
focussed or not?
Just a bunch of people reemitting the noise that might have convinced them, but
doesn't add one new insight about .NET. They are also far from focussed and
consistent.
> Although, FPC and Lazarus have a very devoted group. The group is not very
> large. In fact most of the work is done by five people (I could be wrong on
> the number but you get the point).
In practice more than double each. Counting people with commit rights, not
counting additional patch submitters. Though it grew heavily over the last
year.
> What happens if they decided all to have lunch and get hit by a bus
> crossing the street.
I think this is utter nonsense argument, since it applies to pretty much
any OSS team and/or small company. And even more to them, since the
FPC/Lazarus people are not in the same country.
> I'm afraid FPC and Lazarus would die. Our community
> is not as large as the Python community or the current hot fad Ruby.
Most of those communities are not even real. They exist out of users of
forum and CMS software. No programmers.
I think full time python programmers are more rare than full time
pascal/delphi programmers.
> course there are advantages to a small group but I would still feel much
> better about the future if there were many more.
IMHO the scripting language communities are way overrates because they
center about CMS/forum and other web software. Everybody that installs it,
adds a set of fora for the scripting langs. Logical, but those hobbyist
installing a forum are not contributors to the python community.
And IMHO all of it could be chucked in the bin for ASP.NET, sooner or later.
But I don't see FPC improving anything in ASP.NET, or having aspirations to
do so.
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