Hi,

> I tried you suggestion and the profile seems fine:

Glad to know :) So, the profile works as expected. 

For the white point, there is a small utility wtpnt.c that 
does the trick. For black point, you have to write a small 
program that calls

cmsCIEXYZ XYZ;

cmsDetectBlackPoint(hProfile, &XYZ, INTENT_RELATIVE_COLORIMETRIC, 0);

Regards,
Marti Maria
The little cms project
http://www.littlecms.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Auke Nauta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: [Lcms-user] Re: Get accurate Lab predictions from profile, how?


> Hi Marti,
> 
> I tried you suggestion and the profile seems fine:
> 
> These are the result of 9 Lab colours, converted to output profile and
> back, using absolute colorimetry:
> 
> Lab in                  RGB out                 Back to Lab
> 10 0 0 0 17 1 12.6 0.5 -3.6
> 41.1 65.8 38.5 205 2 12 43.5 63.7 37.4
> 85.5 0.3 84.8 252 244 18 85.3 0.2 84.8
> 47.6 -49 28.1 17 156 24 48.2 -49.7 28.5
> 50 0 0 93 110 103 50 -0.3 -0.1
> 31 -0.7 -43.9 23 62 145 30.4 1.4 -49.7
> 39.9 53.4 -32.1 168 25 195 39.8 53.9 -34.2
> 53.1 -34 -20.6 23 176 165 53 -35 -19.7
> 93 1 -8.5 253 255 254 92.7 0.8 -8.7
> 
> This is nice :)
> 
> However, how do I know, from the profile, what the whitepoint and
> blackpoint values really are?
> 
> OK, I just read it in the docs, I will give it a try...
> 
> And, thanks for version 1.14, it is running fine!
> 
> Greetings,
> Auke
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Auke:
> >
> > This may be due to several reasons. I want to first check the accuracy
> > of your profile to know where the problem actually is. So, the way to
> > check
> > the accuracy of your profile is to use absolute colorimetric. If this
> > works,
> > then rel. colorimetric is going to work too. But since rel. colorimetric
> > implies a white point translation, there is no direct way to measure it.
> >
> > So, I proposed to use a transform between Lab -> printer profile because
> > Lab identity is operating on D50. It is not same as using AdobeRGB as
> > input profile.
> >
> > At that point abs. colorimetric should work. If not, the profile is not
> > proper
> > and you cannot obtain any further improvement.
> >
> >>c. I don't *wan*t to use absolute colorimetry as it changes the RGB
> >> values
> >>too much. For instance white (Lab 100,0,0) is trnaformed to 229,246,255.
> >>If I print this, I don't get paper white anymore, yet my paper is
> >> becoming
> >>even more blue :(
> >
> > But your unprinted paper is not of Lab=(100, 0, 0) right? Try to measure
> > your
> > unprinted paper and feed such value to the abs. colorimetric transform. It
> > should
> > give you a (255, 255, 255) or something really close to that.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marti.
> 
> 
> 
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