Imagine that mrJackHappyHomeUser finally understands that internet security
is an issue to consider, he already has a xdsl, he has a win machine
connected to it, and some one had the ability to enlighten him about all the
risks he's neglecting when online. what does that kind of user do?

nothing! why? because when he finally tries to take some action about it, he
can't understand shit about most product descriptions, but eventually he
manages to understand, so he starts his survey again, he finds a bunch of
home routers, home connection sharing machines, bla... bla... BUT! when he
discovers that in order to maintain that security that wasn't a problem
until someone mention it, he has to pay considerably more for it than what
he would pay for a new computer or his annual fee to the ISP, he'll say f**k
it!

so.. what I say is why not build several LEAF images, for the most common
targets (SOHO etc..), and have them approved by some internet security
authority (don't know if such auth. exist), then we make a page just for
this target audience, explain what a LEAF firewall does, why it is needed,
how little he has to 'pay' for it, like you explain things to a 6 year old!
we splash a CertifiedAndTestedTroughtBySans (imagine :) logo on the page,
and mrJackHappyHomeUser will say, 'wait a minute, this is almost free,
certified, easy to understand, I guess I could try one of this'. and LEAF
evolves trough the year 2001 killing CSCO!!!!  :DDD

now people... please don't flame me for what I'm about to say, by you guys
might want to check ms's new proxy/firewall product ISA,
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/, we need that kind of approval, like
Giga, or whatever...

we might even get some ISP to endorse LEAF, they are the ones who have the
more to gain with leaf, imagine they can bundle a SOHO for as little as a
1/30 of the other products, while maintaining remote administration, and
gaining from much lesser spam/spoof/dos problems.

just a thought! (thought from think??? please correct me!)

pedro


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott C. Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Character Studies (of Users)
> 
> 
> Eric:
>       Hello! Some quick replies:
> 
> > >   What this "bundled gateway" market needs, obviously,
> > > is a gateway box that costs $50 to build because it uses LEAF
> > > and a low-low-end 486: the casing is more expensive than the
> > > content.
> >
> > When do we build it ;)
> 
>       Yeah, no kidding. :) Do we take checks yet?
> 
> > I followed the list of a german variant with a 2.0 kernel and Least 
> > cost routing for some time but a good windows remote control and 
> > configuration utility.There was moderate trafic. As this adress was 
> > published in an article of  Chip (computing) in combination with an 
> > article about insecurity in the web, the traffic became so 
> high that  
> > i canceled my subscription :) .
> 
>       No news sells like bad news. :)
> 
> > in other words, the jacks don't know that they need it. The 
> ISP only 
> > want them to have it as long as it doesn't cost them and it is easy 
> > to maintain and configurate.  
> 
>       Right, exactly. The ISPs will not want these LEAF boxes
> if they think it's going to make the ISP's life worse. And as
> Jack Coates pointed out, the ISPs will be fundamentally against
> having a "big firewall server", like an out-of-the-box RedHat 
> machine, running many exploitable services.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 
> 
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