Hi Morgan,
Sounds fine to me. I may or may not personally agree with Capital
Punishment (or terrorism), but I sure as hell don't think that my views
belong in such an obvious place on such an unrelated home page as that
of www.linuxrouter.org. And I think it is an abuse of position/power
that Dave used it for his political views.
I will sign the text that is decided upon by all LEAFers.
I think I may unsubscribe from the LRP mailing lists if there are others
doing this too, as a statement of "protest" (for lack of a better word).
Regards,
Hilton Travis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Morgan Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2001 2:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?
>
>
> This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents
> all of the ideas mentioned here.
>
> Again, I agree with Bao, Ray and Dave, that treading
> cautionsly is best, and I agree, to a limited degree, with
> Ray's most recent assertion that silence does not always =
> agreement, but, as I think you may see from my draft, Dave's
> decision does represent a breach of overall trust.
>
> I agree with Ray that some notibles have reamined silent, and
> if there cannot be a consensus, then so be it, and a statemnt
> dies on the vine. My intent in suggestion a letter was to
> avoid an nudrectd "counterstrike" made in haste.
>
> All of that niceness aside, soem times, ya gotta say
> BULLSHIT, or the unchallenged comment goes on to become
> accepted. Anyway, it is late, this is very rough, and
> probably sucks toilet water. Here goes:
>
> Dear fellow LRP supporters, users and friends,
>
> Recently, one of the common web sites for Linux Router
> Project information was used for a purpose that was decidedly
> unrelated to LRP; instead, the domain name was exploited to
> make a political statement that had no bearing , except in
> the broadest interpretation, on anything connected to LRP.
>
> While we all support the concept and practice of free and
> open political speech, we do not, and cannot condone the use
> of an open source, community based project to support an
> individual member of the communities' political position.
>
> We believe that the global attention drawn to the LRP website
> is there because of all the participants, not just a single
> developer. We understand that the holder of the domain name
> can technically do as he/she wishes with the domain, but
> insofar as an open source project is conceptualized, written,
> supported and expanded by a truly diverse community, it seems
> wrong at the very core to essentially hijack the work of many
> to serve a single person's political goals.
>
> We hope this letter can serve a dual purpose; to let others
> know that the message that appeared on the website was not
> shared by (any/the vast
> majority) of us, and to show our disapproval for the abuse of
> the community trust placed in the domain name holder's hands.
>
> If a project is truly open source, then it can know no single
> political position, no single political ideology. It should,
> we believe, represent to everyone an example of how people
> from all places and walks of life can focus on a project that
> has no clear material gain, no self serving purpose and
> produce a remarkable product free for everyone to use and
> benefit from.
>
> Signed
>
> __________
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ray
> > Olszewski
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:24 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
> >
> >
> > At 08:25 PM 6/11/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
> > ...
> > >I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as
> > I read his
> > >message. I think we should give Morgan a chance to write a
> draft. He
> > >may come up with something we can all agree on.
> > ...
> >
> > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent,
> and many of
> > the important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their
> > silence on this thread. Some of them may not share the
> sentiments of
> > those of us who have spoken up, but hesitate to start a
> confrontation
> > here on this list. Understandably. Others may share the general
> > sentiment but feel that it is not a proper topic of
> discussion here.
> > Again, understandably. In other contexts, I've been in both
> of these
> > positions, and they are uncomfortable ones.
> >
> > Personally, I'm not too worried about trying to do something
> > "effective". I think Dave's efforts are trivial in any real
> political
> > sense.
> >
> > My personal goal is to respond in a way that lets me feel OK about
> > living with myself. This is, for lack of a better word, a moral
> > concern, not a political one. As I've said in other contexts, one
> > cannot control the world, but one can at least try to control one's
> > own reaction to the world.
> >
> > If Morgan comes up with something, I'll be happy to read
> and comment
> > on it. But not tonight; I'm about done for the night (and
> it's after
> > midnight in DC, after 11 in Kansas and Minnesota). Really,
> we are, as
> > a group, better at
> > sharing ideas and stimulating one another's creativity than
> we are at
> > forging consensus. We've done that part here, and if
> nothing more happens
> > than whatever each of us decides to do individually, we
> should feel good
> > about that result.
> >
> > My best wishes to you all.
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------"Never tell me the odds!"---
> > Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo
> > Palo Alto, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
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