my, what a thread.
Opinions are opinions, but:
screwing with semipublic infrastructure because of your opinions is over
the line, especially when the infrastructure was donated to you by
companies wanting to further progress of the semipublic project.
(The LRP code may be GPL, but the web site and mailing list are firmly
Dave's -- ask anyone who's offered to help with them).
I happen to fervently disagree with the opinions at hand -- I don't
think killing people is ever a solution, whether you're wearing a white
hood, military uniform, or judge's robe. There are too many layers of
wrong-doing here for simple judgements.
I may not contribute a lot, but I don't want my contributions tied to
this sort of stupidity.
I will consider signing Morgan's letter and I am definitely signing off
the linux-router list.
--
Jack Coates
Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner!
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Morgan Reed wrote:
> This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the ideas
> mentioned here.
>
> Again, I agree with Bao, Ray and Dave, that treading cautionsly is best, and
> I agree, to a limited degree, with Ray's most recent assertion that silence
> does not always = agreement, but, as I think you may see from my draft,
> Dave's decision does represent a breach of overall trust.
>
> I agree with Ray that some notibles have reamined silent, and if there
> cannot be a consensus, then so be it, and a statemnt dies on the vine. My
> intent in suggestion a letter was to avoid an nudrectd "counterstrike" made
> in haste.
>
> All of that niceness aside, soem times, ya gotta say BULLSHIT, or the
> unchallenged comment goes on to become accepted.
> Anyway, it is late, this is very rough, and probably sucks toilet water.
> Here goes:
>
> Dear fellow LRP supporters, users and friends,
>
> Recently, one of the common web sites for Linux Router Project information
> was used for a purpose that was decidedly unrelated to LRP; instead, the
> domain name was exploited to make a political statement that had no bearing
> , except in the broadest interpretation, on anything connected to LRP.
>
> While we all support the concept and practice of free and open political
> speech, we do not, and cannot condone the use of an open source, community
> based project to support an individual member of the communities� political
> position.
>
> We believe that the global attention drawn to the LRP website is there
> because of all the participants, not just a single developer. We understand
> that the holder of the domain name can technically do as he/she wishes with
> the domain, but insofar as an open source project is conceptualized,
> written, supported and expanded by a truly diverse community, it seems wrong
> at the very core to essentially hijack the work of many to serve a single
> person�s political goals.
>
> We hope this letter can serve a dual purpose; to let others know that the
> message that appeared on the website was not shared by (any/the vast
> majority) of us, and to show our disapproval for the abuse of the community
> trust placed in the domain name holder�s hands.
>
> If a project is truly open source, then it can know no single political
> position, no single political ideology. It should, we believe, represent to
> everyone an example of how people from all places and walks of life can
> focus on a project that has no clear material gain, no self serving purpose
> and produce a remarkable product free for everyone to use and benefit from.
>
> Signed
>
> __________
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ray
> > Olszewski
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:24 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
> >
> >
> > At 08:25 PM 6/11/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
> > ...
> > >I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as
> > I read his
> > >message. I think we should give Morgan a chance to write a draft. He may
> > >come up with something we can all agree on.
> > ...
> >
> > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> > important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on
> > this thread. Some of them may not share the sentiments of those of us who
> > have spoken up, but hesitate to start a confrontation here on this list.
> > Understandably. Others may share the general sentiment but feel that it is
> > not a proper topic of discussion here. Again, understandably. In other
> > contexts, I've been in both of these positions, and they are
> > uncomfortable ones.
> >
> > Personally, I'm not too worried about trying to do something
> > "effective". I
> > think Dave's efforts are trivial in any real political sense.
> >
> > My personal goal is to respond in a way that lets me feel OK about living
> > with myself. This is, for lack of a better word, a moral concern, not a
> > political one. As I've said in other contexts, one cannot control
> > the world,
> > but one can at least try to control one's own reaction to the world.
> >
> > If Morgan comes up with something, I'll be happy to read and
> > comment on it.
> > But not tonight; I'm about done for the night (and it's after midnight in
> > DC, after 11 in Kansas and Minnesota). Really, we are, as a
> > group, better at
> > sharing ideas and stimulating one another's creativity than we are at
> > forging consensus. We've done that part here, and if nothing more happens
> > than whatever each of us decides to do individually, we should feel good
> > about that result.
> >
> > My best wishes to you all.
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------"Never tell me the odds!"---
> > Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo
> > Palo Alto, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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