Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > That is not what I had in mind. The person making the announcement needs
> > > to decide the target audience. Our mailing lists reach a different set
> > > of users than our web site.
> > 
> > I think you're making the criteria more vague and complicated than need be.
> 
> Dan,
> There is nothing vague about what I said above.

"The person making the announcement needs to decide the target audience"
_is_ more vague than "security advisories should be posted to
leaf-announce".

> > Bottom-line, stuff that's important for most or all LEAF users to hear,
> > including, but not limited to, security advisories, should definitely be
> > posted to leaf-announce.
> 
> I will not force people to do this. 

Who said anything about forcing??  I just think that should be the official
_policy_.  

> The announce list needs to be seen as useful on it's own merits.

That would be more likely if the policy as to what kinds of things should be
posted there (e.g. security advisories and new version announcements) were
short, clear, and concise.

> > Well, since you've redirected the thread off of leaf-user, it's partially a
> > moot point.  It wasn't clarification for me personally that I was driving
> > for, but for others.  But I suppose most of the people who are likely to
> > have posts worthy of leaf-announce subscribe to leaf-devel.
> 
> It was cross posted by you. 

No, it was Jacques' original post about the new version of the PPTP package
that was crossposted to leaf-devel and leaf-user, and thus so was my reply
to it asking whether such posts ought'nt to go to leaf-announce.

> I pruned leaf-user as the topic wasn't relevant to that list.

It absolutely _is_ relevant to leaf-user.  People need to know what types of
things (e.g. security advisories) they can still expect to receive once
their immediate problem is fixed and they've unsubscribed to leaf-user but
stayed subscribed to leaf-announce.

> You seem to have a problem with the way I'm managing our mailing lists.
> I admit there are many other people that are more qualified for the job,
> but I'm the one that volunteered.
> 
> Do you wish to take over our mailing list management job? It requires
> approximately 15min to 1 1/2 hours a day. You'll need to understand mail
> headers, and Mailman management. Please send your credentials if your
> interested.

Having a problem with your wording as to when things should be posted to
leaf-announce does not equate to having "a problem with the way [you're]
managing our mailing lists".  I should think we'd be able to have a
discussion without you pulling out the "if you think you can do a better
job, go ahead" card.

In any case, I unfortunately do not currently have the free time to
volunteer for the effort, and I certainly don't see any major problems with
the way you've been doing it to warrant someone else taking over.

> What Jacques says for Bering bug reporting is correct. What I said,
> indicates my preference. There are no mandates here.

I'm not asking for mandates.  Just for clear enuniciations of the
_preferred_ way of doing things.  For bug reporting, it's now clear from
your and Jacques' emails that the tracker is the preferred way to do it.  It
just isn't clear in the official documentation, that's all.

Lack of a clear, quickly-findable policy on bug reporting can dissuade
people from reporting them (at least if they've found a workaround for their
own case).

--
Dan Harkless
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://harkless.org/dan/


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