Angel Martin Alganza wrote:
>
> Hi David, everybody!
> Mmmhhh... this is what I have always concluded while reading on Oxygen
> instructions on the web site. On the "Data Disk" part on
> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=90000&page_id=6 one can read:
>
> "As Oxygen is configured, you will need one of these:"
I see. I'll have to change that. Perhaps something of:
"To get the most use out of Oxygen, you will want one of these:"
> Which always makes me think a second floppy IS required. Perhaps I
> misunderstand the right sense of such sentence, since my English isn't
> very good. I think there is something else somewhere else which gave me
> the same feeling... I'll try to look for it and let you know.
Bah. I find non-English speakers often underestimate their ability to
speak English (just as you have). You write very well, and understood
rightly. Time for me to change my wording.
[David Douthitt said:]
> floppy. The second floppy was designed as a "personalization" disk;
> that is, there is nothing much on the first floppy which turns the
> system into a network diagnostics tool, an FTP server, or a web server.
[Angel said:]
> It might be that itīs just me, but I think it would be nice to
> have a sentence like that somewhere on your Oxygen pages, David. Forget it
> if you think I'm wrong or you already state it somewhere I have missed :)
I'm pretty sure it's in there, describing what a Data Disk does. I'll
make sure.
[David Douthitt said:]
> I've found an interesting alternative to the standard X terminal: use a
> VNC client on the display and use a VNC server on the other side. I've
> already gotten a VNC client for LRP based on SVGAlib; I've yet to test
> it with a mouse operating... pwm doesn't require a mouse :-)
[Angel said:]
> Sure... we already talked about that. I use a SVNCV floppy since
> three years, but I want to have something standard. I mean... I want my
> students to put a floppy on their systems, boot them, and get a graphical
> (X) Login box to my server.
I think I missed much of that - too much to keep up on here. With a
roomful of students, using a VNC server would require a separate server
for each student, unless they "shared" a screen - but then they would
have the same screen and same mouse and...
It would certainly be possible to provide them with an automatic VNC
viewer session upon login; this is not difficult. However, to do what
you want - provide an X login screen - you need to run xdm or something
like that, and a version of X. I'd like to look at tinyX, but I've not
compiled X to date. I thought I heard you couldn't compile tinyX alone,
but I may be wrong. It's not a stretch to think that would be true;
it's true of libreadline, which is a part of bash.
> Using a Hard Disk is not possible, since I really need them
> untouched on those systems. Using alternatives to X would be not possible,
> since I need a standard X Login.
> My original idea was to have one or several LEAF packages
> containing X (xserver, xdm, etc), which could be downloaded ala
> Oxygen. Size would not be a concern, since they would be on the FTP server
> and the clients have enough RAM.
Probably the quickie way (and most flexible) would be to download a Red
Hat 5.x RPM of XFree86 or a Debian 2.1 *.deb package and extract the
binaries you need - and the libraries you need. Then you run them on
LEAF after creating a package. In my first flurry of packages, that's
what I did - zillions of times. You could also use Mandrake 5.3
packages, but Mandrake is compiled for a Pentium...
Also use "ldd <bin>" to find out what libraries are actually needed by
the binary.
Note that Oxygen development uses glibc 2.1, which means that if you use
that version you can upgrade to Red Hat 6.x or Debian Woody packages.
Of course, glibc 2.1 is obsolete already (sigh) and now the Grand Linux
Distribution World uses glibc 2.2 (Linux Mandrake 8, Red Hat 7).
If you manage to get such a package put together (or before I do, anyway
:-) let me know; a LEAF-based XTerminal would be really nice, methinks.
You might also want to be aware of this tip I saw for logging into any
ssh server from your local login prompt: using mgetty, you configure it
a certain way, and then one can do this at the login prompt:
login: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...and it would send you off to log into that host via ssh. It wouldn't
be that hard to use xdm to query a certain xdm host this way...
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