Hmm. I posted this, but it hasn't appeared.
Well, here it is again.....  MS.
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> 
> Wow!
> 
> I have a few thousand more questions.
> I am an expert french toast chef.
>
> 
> You made a couple prodigious leaps from
>      God to the Greeks and from mosfet to CPU,
>       But it was very interesting and I would
>       seriously like to ask some bus questions
>       when I have more time.


Good stuff that french toast :-)   You can hit the list 
anytime.  We'll see if we can't make sense of this or that.



> But for now:
> 
> >     DLink, et al, are putting a 802.11b wireless card with antenna on
> >     Compact Flash.
> 
> Sounds interesting.  Do you have a link?
> 
> http://www.dlink.com/products/DigitalHome/Mobile/dcf650w/


Well there are more peripheral connection types than I listed
previously.  There's PC Cards slots, Compact Flash compartments,
and SmartCard reader slots.  Take a look at the HP Jordana 720,
which is listed as compatible with the Dlink 650W

  http://www.hp.com/cposupport/manual_set/bpia2316.pdf

Down around page 112 or so it gets into the different cards
and their connectors.  

Compact Flash devices come in Type I and Type II format,
using the names that PC Cards do, but the format is obviously
much different.  CF devices were in general mass storage
devices, and we learned that RAM and Disk drives are both
mass storage devices.  Making CF mass storage cards ATA compliant
and PC-Card compliant means that they can interface easily.

    CF mass storage cards                  CF I/O cards
   -----------------------               ------------------
      Type I  flash                        Type I & Type II
      Type II flash                             modems
      Type II microdrive                        ethernet nics,
                                                serial ports
                                                bluetoothe wireless
                                                USB ports


I haven't heard of a type III CF Card. 


> Now, this device is obviously a 50 pin compact flash.
> I am filled with curiosity about this and can't seem to glean anything from
> the websites.
> The SanDisk compact flash obviously has IDE logic built in.
> I wonder is that a standard for compact flash devices?

Yes it is standard and one of the main selling points of all CF Cards,
which are not PC Cards but are compatible with PC Card specs.



> If so, why would that be?
> Why would a wireless card be accessed thru an IDE driver?

I'm not sure that it does.  It may be that CF I/O cards specifically
emulate something else.  I have a hard time determining the exact
answer to this.  The CF specs are hard to get.  I think I'll dig
around some more and see what turns up.



 
> I followed your AP link and hit a deadend on the ftp download.

Which was that?  The access point one?  What exactly failed?


 
> I "gleaned" from your essay that the PC Card Bus Bridge and
>   the EIDE Host Controller are very similar in function.


Yes, but the CardBus bridge is much more complex because of
the chores it keeps, where the ATA host controller bridge is
mostly just a splitter and a buffer to the bus.

 
> The reason I am asking these questions is that we build in house a
>     very compact thin client  with an extra  compact flash adapter on
>      IDE  and I'd love to use this little box as a diskless router with an
>      802.11 lan.

It's perfect for that as far as I can tell.  Just follow the booting
from a hard disk documents, which all refer to ATA as IDE.


 
> Anyway, thanx.  And I'll come back later with more bus questions if you don't
> mind.

"Love this stuff!"  --  Scott Best


 
> ( I wonder if the amber monitor(which I miss) was a coincidence
>   or subliminal  homage )


What a great insight that would be.  Nice one.
Matthew

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