First of all I want to use the LEAF as a firewall.  The Cisco 678 is a
standalone DSL modem and connects to the ISP via DSL. It allows NAT, port
translation and some other basic networking options.  I have only 1 IP, and
will have to look into the bridging mode option to use that IP for both the
Cisco external and the LEAF external address.  I think that would be the
best option.

But if not, you answered what i wanted to know in that I can use a
non-routable address on the outside of the LEAF by turning off the filtering
of that address range.  What sort of problems would "double NAT" possibly
cause?

Thanks again

KJ



At 11:10 AM 6/14/02 -0700, Kale Lowman wrote:
>Rather new here, so gently reproof any mistakes.
>I am setting up Dachstein and cannot find how I should set up my Cisco DSL
>modem.  I assume turning off NAT on the modem but what inside/outside IP
>should I use.  We have a static IP assigned by our ISP, if I use that on
the
>outside of the DSL modem, what should I set for the outside of the
firewall?
>I don't need a DMZ.

We  can't answer your questions definitively, because the answers depend in
part on what service your ISP is offering to you, and partly on why you
even want a LEAF router in this setup (since it sounds from your
descriptions like the Cisco can itself connect a LAN to the Internet,
without needing another router in the setup). And since Cisco makes a lot
of products, we don't even really know what device "my Cisco DSL modem"
exactly is.

Is your ISP providing you with a single "outside" IP address or multiple
addresses (a 5-block DSL service, for example, is common in my area)? If
you have more than one real IP address, how does your ISP say you should
route them through the Cisco?

If you do have only one real IP address, as your comments seem to suggest,
then you use it as the Cisco's external address. What to do on the inside
depends on details of the Cisco that you haven't told us. Guessing from the
little you have said, I'd think you want to turn NAT -ON- on the Cisco and
use some suitable private-address LAN (or static route) to connect it to
the LEAF router. For example, make the Cisco 10.1.1.1 and the LEAF external
port 10.1.1.2, on network 10.1.1.0/30. (Then remember to turn off
private-address filtering on the LEAF router's external interface, or use a
dropin firewall like EchoWall that handles that part for you.)

Now, as to the LEAF router ... once again, it depends on what you want the
LEAF router to do. Easiest is to run its external interface as described
above, and its internal interface as some different private-address network
(say 192.168.1.0/24) with its NAT turned on as well. This approach does a
"double NAT" of any LEAF-LAN host connection to the Internet, which might
cause some problems, but it's hard to say without more info about the
Cisco  and about what you want to do. Other options are to turn standard
NAT off on the LEAF router, then use static-NAT, or proxy arp, or
modification of the Cisco's routing table to connect the LEAF LAN to the
Internet. Again, we'd need to know more about the Cisco to discuss the
relative merits of these approaches.

I suppose it is also possible that the Cisco can operate in some sort of
bridging mode, one that would let you use the real IP address as the LEAF
router's external interface address. Again, whether this is possible
depends more on the Cisco than on the LEAF system.
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