Wow! Unbelievable how I recognise myself in your description of how you tried to get the (super)users/owners set up. This is exactly what makes me reluctant to try to install 1.3 immediately and right now.
As a side note, I also was a fervent Fedora user for many (maybe 15 now) years, but I gave up the 6 monthly OS upgrades and still run version 10 at this time. Very recently however, I installed Fedora 15 on a newly acquired computer, only to find out that the Gnome desktop was locking the user (me) too much out of seeing and influencing what's actually going on, so I removed it and went with Ubuntu 11.04, despite the attractive features of SELinux (not to mention the NOT SO attractive features of the same :) ). Anyway, I was (possibly quite naively) expecting that upgrading to 1.3 would only involve setting up a brand new instance of Linux with LedgerSMB 1.3 and then importing the backup I most cleverly would have made of the 1.2 version that I'm running, but somehow reading the postings on this list I fear it won't be so easy, so I will just keep monitoring this list until I get a 'feeling' of how complicated it will get and how to do it, before I will make te switch. Holding my breath :) On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 09:53 -0500, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Chris Travers <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:01 PM, o1bigtenor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Something that didn't take a guru 8 hours to install!!!!!!!!!! > >> > > It would be helpful to have a more detailed problem description here > > so we know what to document better. We do offer (and will continue to > > offer) RPM (for CentOS/Scientific Linux/Fedora) and debian (for Debian > > and Ubuntu) packages which should cut way down on installation issues > > (tracking down dependencies, etc). Installation on Windows is > > supported but is harder. > > > > But currently, today, even a manual installation isn't that much work. > > I charge a flat $60 for installation and I don't think I ever spend > > more than half an hour of active time on it. I don't expect the rate > > or the time commitment to go up with 1.3. > > > > Perhaps your guru can write the list and provide information about > > what went wrong so we can make it better. But given that I don't see > > these issues, it's extremely hard for me to correct them based on that > > description. > > > Your response is why I thought very seriously of not saying anything. > > I am NOT a computer expert. > I have used computers from a Mac plus in 1986 through various > iterations to a PC in 1999 starting with Windows SE and then moving to > first RedHat (full time in 2001 part time investigating before that) > and then to Debian in 2007 (wanting a longer cycle between upgrades > than 6 months). > I run a farm. > I have also worked for wages full time for most of the last 17 years. > I USE computer systems. > I haven't felt a need to want to create computer systems (programs etc). > > The instructions given for Debian installation were very frustrating. > > It was assumed that you had Postgres running. > It was assumed that you had all the associated programs (like psql) > running and correctly linked. > It was assumed that you had Apache running. > It was assumed that you knew how to make these programs work harmoniously. > It was assumed that if anything didn't install correctly that you > would KNOW how to fix the issues and repair the now broken install. > > > One of the issues I remember running into was trying to determine > which password was being asked for. Was it for the Postgres superuser > or the LedgerSMB superuser or the Postgres database owner. > > It was after many hours of paid help that I was able to get LedgerSMB > installed - - then I could not figure out how to log in. I tried all > the combinations of things I could think of. I used commands to > install new superuser passwords after removing the old ones. Nothing > worked. So I just gave up. > > I see myself as a business owner/operator and have become somewhat > capable as a computer user so when I read your response to my > suggestion it was like what I have heard lots of time 'RTFM'. Well I > have read manual and I can tell you more about whats happening in a > cow's gut by looking at her feces than I can tell you about how to set > up the 'common' involved *nix program. > > I see myself as indicative of many many users out there. I am > comfortable enough with Linux to have set up dual booting systems for > other people and fielded more than a few 'computer help' phone calls > yet I get totally lost trying to install something like LedgerSMB and > then when I indicate that its not very straightforward I get told its > easy and takes no time at all. Perhaps you don't see how unhelpful > that is or how frustrating but I can tell you that although I still > follow the discussions on both the development and the user forums I > am NOT looking at using the product - - because I just can't count on > it. For my business accounting needs - - - it JUST MUST WORK!! > > For what its worth - - you have my response. > > The ball is now in YOUR COURT. > > Darald Bantel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 10 Tips for Better Web Security > Learn 10 ways to better secure your business today. 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