The Brexit debate IMHO boils down to two things:


1) Xenophobia, no sorry, ahem, let's call it immigration. 


2) the French & Germans having a part to play in any law in the UK. Even if 
it's perfectly sensible. WW2 ad nauseum. 


1) is laughable given there are more immigrants from outside the EU arriving to 
the UK. Those that are THERE - EU or non EU - one assumes that a greater 
proportion than the locals are working and presumably paying tax?  Then somehow 
it's OK to be a British immigrant abroad despite eg 100s of 1000s in Spain 
living the way the British don't like the "foreigners" to live in the UK... 


2) whilst the EU is imperfect, on the whole the EU laws are sensible and are 
the result of significant distillation to weed out any nonsense that some of 
the more muppet nations might pass themselves locally.  Besides, there are two 
paths in the end: out and be like the US, or stay and take the best bits of 
Germany and Sweden. I know which is preferable. 



If in the end it is a Brexit, the end result will be..... just the same as now, 
except it's an additional layer of admin. 


Great news for lawyers and civil servants. Boris, Nigel too. 


BMW 




From: Ian Murray

Sent: Sunday, 12 June, 17:54

Subject: Re: [LU] British passport eligibility!

To: Matt Anderson

Cc: leeds list



I think the difference is that they were moving from a foreign country and you 
were moving within the same country.


Most don't save and go home, most stay. That's not in any way a criticism of 
them, but I think we should have a say who comes to our country and the way in 
which they come.


Sent from my iPhone


> On 12 Jun 2016, at 23:50, Matt Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

> 

> Still don't get it. I can and intend to move to France or Spain one day and I 
> can without much hassle. People come here but a lot come work and go home. 
> I've known many from work, 2 or 3 years of using their skills to improve my 
> business saving up and then going home. No difference to Brits going to 
> Dubai, Qatar etc...

> 

> What's the difference with me moving to London 20 years ago and living 
> amongst cockneys and someone from Poland coming here?? I can't distinguish 
> myself and my life choices and theirs. 

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> 

>> On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:41, Ian Murray <[email protected]> wrote:

>> 

>> I wasn't being serious mate.

>> 

>> But perhaps citizenship laws might be more fair if we didn't have to deal 
>> with 300,000 new residents per year. Numbers which on any view are 
>> unsustainable. Yeah yeah, they work shit jobs, English people are lazy blah 
>> blah. They still use our public services, which we pay for. Such services 
>> are more expensive because we have to have information and so on in Polish 
>> and Lithuanian.

>> 

>> The Catholic Church is booming though. So there's a real plus for our 
>> communities...

>> 

>> Sent from my iPhone

>> 

>>> On 12 Jun 2016, at 23:20, Richard Naef <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:

>>> 

>>> !

>>>> 

>>>> Yeah please do. If your kids don't get a passport, it's another leave

>>> reason.

>>> 

>>> UK citizenship rules have nothing to do with the EU.  Rules are set by

>>> parliament.  EEA (different from the EU) citizens have a specific path to

>>> citizenship, just like people with British parentage, but born abroad.

>>> Assuming we stayed in the EEA nothing would change by Leave. 

>>> 

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