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> On 13 Sep 2021, at 12:29, Tim Whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Unfortunately, it was correct that Liverpool's first goal did stand. As it > was pointed out to me while I was baying for a VAR intervention, Salah was > behind the ball when it was played across the face of the goal, therefore not > in an offside position. Yep, true, but when the ball was played out to the right both Mane and Salah were off - given that was in the build up to the goal then they clearly gained advantage from it. It is, clearly, a Liverpool tactic to leave men in the goal-hanger position in the hope that they can either sprint onside at the last minute, or that the lino will miss it? All that said, it was a bit embarrassing when Sky flashed up the no of chances - Leeds had 9, Mane alone had 10! Goal hanging pays off :-( > > As far as Roberts is concerned, his main contribution was to screw a shot > well wide from a decent position on the edge of the area. Normally he sends > the ball over the bar from that distance. Whenever he comes on for Rodrigo it > feels like a change for the sake of making a change, as he's not good enough > to offer anything different at this level. > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "John Lee via Leedslist" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: "leeds list ([email protected])" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 13 Sep, 21 At 10:31 > Subject: Re: [LU] Liverpool > > Re Rich’s big question and can we play with 2 wingers and Rodrigo - the > answer is no! I like Rodrigo, good player, but he has neither the tactical or > defensive nouse to play that role, and I don’t think he’s fit enough either. > I too would have definitely had Shackleton on in his place, and Klich too, > although Llorente’s injury scuppered likely substitutions. > > > > I’m not going to talk much about Cooper, because we all know he gives it all > he’s got, but realistically he’s an ageing Championship-level defender who > keeps getting found out! The only real question is why does Bielsa keep > picking him knowing that in all probability the same thing will happen? My > main gripe, re the defence, is Ayling - I thought he was heading downhill > towards the end of last season - his positional sense is poor, his blocking > is patchy (another through his legs yesterday), but it’s his passing from > right-back which are constantly wayward that put us under immediate pressure > time and again, usually half way into our own half. This needs to change. I > would have Cody Drameh in at right-back now. As for Aylings ‘chance’ - why > didn’t he head it? > > > > Hopefully the club will appeal Stuijk’s red card - terrible injury, but it > wasn’t a bad tackle, just really unlucky. I watched to frame by frame - he > won the ball, but when he turned to stand he did bring his full body-weight > down on Elliot’s ankle - totally accidental. The ref clearly saw nothing > wrong in it initially, but Klopp’s histrionics and the severity of the injury > got Struijk a red, which seems all wrong. > > > > I thought Firpo did ok - he was up against Salah after all. I’m still > convinced their first goal shouldn’t have stood - both Salah and Mane were > offside when the ball came forward, gaining a clear advantage, then Mane was > off as Salah scored. Liverpools tactic of leaving forwards goal-hanging and > then playing the linesman really bugs me. > > > > Finally, will Bielsa learn? He knows we cannot compete with the top 6, yet > sends the same tactics out on to the pitch whoever we’re playing. We could, > and probably should have lost by 6/7 goals - bollocks to playing our own > game, we need some pragmatism against world-class players! > > > > Second finally - if Struijk and Llorente are out on Friday, I hope Cresswell > is used, and not Ayling at CB - that would be a big error! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Sep 2021, at 09:44, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Yeah, it was a big disappointment…the first half was even enough, although I > thought we were only just hanging onto their coattails. But in the end 0-3 > didn’t flatter them. > > > > I’ve not seen any replays, so I don’t know about the sending off. Live, it > looked like a clean challenge, but then we saw lots of the folk around lad > running away holding their hands to their mouths, and so knew it was a bad > injury. > > > > I think in time Bielsa might want to switch Raphinha inside into a no.10 > role, behind Bamford, with Harrison and James on the wings. But there has to > be better coherence between the full backs and the wingers. Ayling has > started the season at quite a low level, he seems to be struggling…a lot of > unforced errors. Cooper can’t be any more than a squad player. Llorente is > class, I hope the injury is not serious. Firpo, I actually think had his best > game for us yesterday…whether that is good enough long term is another thing. > > > > In midfield, I think Phillips was very good, but can’t do it alone. Dallas > was curiously absent - or the game passed him by. Oddly after an invisible > first half, Harrison was having a good 15 minutes when he was taken off. > > > > Don’t know what to do with Rodrigo, he has played a lot in that advanced > midfield role and is not a success there. He has done ok as a centre forward, > but he is not the same kind of forward as Bamford, and Bielsa sees that > Bamford brings more to his preferred style of play. > > > > We continue to be grateful for having Meslier in goal. He is a future star. > > > > What we need are a couple of wins, to settle the nerves. > > > > The atmosphere in the ground was bouncing. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 13 Sep 2021, at 08:40, Richard Walker via Leedslist <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > My first PL game for donkeys and what a disappointment it was. Totally > outclassed and outplayed for most of the game. If anything we showed some > spirit second half with only 10 men and could / should have got 1 back. > > For me, there's a big question as to whether we can play with 2 wingers and > Rodrigo against opposition like this. Phillips and Dallas didn't stand a > chance and Liverpool took total control in midfield which meant Raphinha and > Harrison never really had a kick. Rodrigo had an early chance which he could > have done better with but apart from that he was totally ineffective as the > no 10 and was hauled off for Roberts at half-time which is now becoming a > regular change. We've seen what Rodrigo can do as a striker but as a > midfielder he hasn't the legs to do what Hernandez did. > > It was a good atmosphere but all around me agreed that going in 1-0 down at > half-time was a real result for us because it should have been more - a lot > more. Time and time again the Liverpool midfielders and attackers seemed to > have all the space in the world as they passed it around our box. > Occassionally we would get a last ditch tackle in but we really struggled to > contain them and struggled to get out of our half. > > Second half, Liverpool continued to control the park and were soon 2 up from > a corner. The ball just seemed to be on the floor for an age until Fabinho, > unmarked, poked it home. Poor defending again. Then Struijk got sent off and > from the stands it looked like a great tackle and having seen it afterwards I > still think Strujik is unlucky and was sent off for the injury not the > tackle. The incident caused a bit of upset between the South stand and the > away fans which then spiralled into a tit for tat sing song. "Always the > victim, never your fault' to which the scousers replied "Yorkshire Police - > murderers". A few scousers got really upset and ended up bein dragged away. > > We did show some heart with 10 men and Dan James came on and looked ok > without really threatening. Liverpool scored a deserved 3rd late on and we > all went home thinking that this is going to be a tough season and any > thoughts of Europe and bettering our 9th place from last season need to be > reassessed. Yes we've played 2 of the top 4 teams but I think it's clear that > there's something missing and we are not playing with the fluidity and > movement that we know we can. > > Bielsa's response to the first half debacle was to put Roberts on for > Rodrigo. That was it. We were getting the run around in midfield but he just > replaced like for like and carried on. He knows no different to his system > and that is definitely a limitation. There was an argument to put Klich and > Shack in a 4 man midfield with Raph on his own up front. At least we would > have competed and seen some of the ball. We definitely needed another body in > the middle. > > Scores: > > > > Meslier - 7. Made some great saves to keep the score down. It could have been > far worse. > > Ayling - 3. I thought he was really poor and if you look at his performances > this season I think he's not started well. He did have our best chance first > half but couldn't decide whether to volley or head it and I think it just > ended up cannoning off him into the South Stand > > Cooper - 3. Let's face facts, he's not up to the job and against the better > team this is really obvious. He was booked early on when he was turned and > just pulled his man back and from then on he really struggled. > > Llorente - 4. Llorente also struggled it has to be said and then got injured. > The lad has been unfortunate with injuries and looks like he might be out for > a few weeks now. > > Firpo - 4. The general opinion on the P2 back was that Firpo isn't up to it. > He's no Allioski going forward, in fact he rarely does get forward and that > means Harrison sees little of the ball. His defending is also suspect. He did > manage a few last dith challenges against Salah but he looks really dodgy. > > Dallas - 4. His worst game for a long time and that was mainly because he > didn't see much of the ball and was just chasing shadows most of the > afternoon. We keep buying wingers but surely central midfield is where we are > really light for options. > > Phillips - 7. I thought he was our best player. Never gave up, tackled well > and got around the park. He can't do it on his own though > > Harrison - 4. Ineffective > > Raphinha - 4. Ineffective > > Bamford - 3. Ineffective - had one speculative effort well saved but just > didn't get in the game at all. > > Rodrigo - 2. Worrying performances from our record signing. > > Subs: > > Strujik - unlucky > > Roberts - one or two moments but didn't really influence the game. Maybe his > running and ability to cover more ground than Rod was a factor in our > improvement 2nd half. > > Newcastle will be another test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
