Might have to consult the Guru Mike Pung???? I've heard him call some work he did Pineapple too?
Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:25 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sure I picked up the terms brick and pineapple pattern from somewhere. > I'm not that creative :) > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:22 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Spot on Bill! >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:11 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >>> They look like brick patterns to me will see what Tracy says >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < >>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman >>> *Sent:* Saturday, 12 December 2020 1:31 PM >>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit >>> >>> >>> >>> Those are some great turnings Tracy. In the pic with the 3 stacks of >>> spindles, is there a name for the patterns of the top 1 & 2 of the middle >>> stack; and the 3rd and 4th from the top in the stack on the right? Those >>> are really interesting. They also look complicated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, in an earlier post you mentioned that the previous owner of your >>> 1200 with the CNC Upgrade had gotten Legacy to rewire the unit with CAT 5 >>> replacing the original wiring. Any idea how hard that would be to do or >>> have done today? Probably need a PhD in Electrical Engineering I'm >>> guessing. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the pics. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:05 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Here are some links to the posts I made a couple years ago: >>> >>> - >>> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/cn324UH5FF0/m/HWRLDoShBwAJ >>> >>> - >>> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/m9RAH_NZdus/m/qq8oFMJ3BQAJ >>> >>> - >>> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/YQRK74hviVw/m/IgiSIeJJAgAJ >>> >>> >>> >>> I've included a couple pictures of the work I did that was specific to >>> the CNC upgrade. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the additional information Tracy. It helps a lot with >>> understanding what it would take to install then operate the CNC Upgrade. >>> Good to know it was powerful enough to handle what seems like a good test >>> on some fairly large projects. I wish you luck with your 2000 >>> machine although it doesn't seem like you will need it given your IT >>> knowledge and experience with the upgrade on your 1200 already.. I'm sure >>> you will have a lot of fun getting the CNC Upgrade resituated. and >>> operating. >>> >>> >>> >>> With regard to the "Archives" for this site...I've searched but all I >>> come up with is the email stream for the site. Is that what you are >>> talking about or is there an actual archive with topic search capability? >>> >>> >>> >>> Again. Thanks for your time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ray, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry it has taken so long to respond. It has been pretty crazy at work >>> this last week. >>> >>> >>> >>> Once I got everything tuned in, I was very happy. If you search for the >>> word "gazebo" in the group archive, you will find some of my posts and >>> pictures I shared about 2 years ago. I made about 70% of the spindles for >>> my project and expect to finish the rest in 2021. I made over 150 spindles >>> that were about 1x1x12 with 20 different designs. I also made a few >>> balusters that were about 4x4x30. I made most of the baluster using a model >>> 1500 before I found the CNC upgraded machine. I also made 8 6x6x7' posts >>> for my project. There was a lot of variety and I had a lot of fun. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm looking forward to getting back into it next year but, honestly, a >>> bit nervous about figuring out how to use everything again. >>> >>> >>> >>> I found the CNC upgrade to work great and have plenty of power. I >>> actually jimmy-rigged a 12"+ extension on my machine to work on the 7 foot >>> posts. It had no problem turning it. Even though the machine can handle >>> larger parts, that was the largest part I tried on the machine. I found the >>> frame of the model 1200 to be a bit shaky. The CNC upgrade is quite heavy >>> and when the machine really starts working, I would intentionally slow it >>> down to minimize the wobble.There was some slight drift when changing >>> directions that was only noticeable when I was doing the smaller spindles >>> and with a much finer design. I got around this by modifying the gcode to >>> always work from one direction instead of going back and forth. This is >>> where my IT background was nice. For example, by default the initial cut >>> was made going down the part and the final cut on the return. Changing >>> directions caused a slight shift that could be seen on the part. >>> >>> >>> >>> This last summer I got a great deal on a model 2000. My plan is to >>> retrofit the CNC upgrade on the model 2000 but this discussion over the >>> last few weeks makes me wonder if the motor that rotates the parts (A axis) >>> will be strong enough if I ever put much large parts on it. I think it >>> would be fun to try and do a cool design on a 12x12 long post. Who knows if >>> that will happen. My primary reason for wanting to do this is because of >>> the wobble I experienced on the 1200. The reality is the wobble isn't >>> horrible and you could work just fine by slowing things down or creating a >>> stronger base. I haven't done that. The model 2000 is a far more solid >>> frame. Again, we'll see. >>> >>> >>> >>> Again, apologies for the long delay. Things have calmed down so other >>> replies won't take so long. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 7:35 PM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks again for the feedback. Answered a number of questions I had. >>> Now I understand why they said the computer used should not be on line >>> (i.e, the WiFi issue). Glad you were able to get the CNC Upgrade to still >>> operate properly using newer versions of Mach and Windows. >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems overall that getting things calibrated was a bit finicky. I was >>> wondering how the run limits for the X,Y,Z, and A axis were set. I can see >>> why it would be useful to have a background in IT. >>> >>> >>> >>> Wanted to ask how you found the overall operation of the system once >>> everything was calibrated for running a project?. What projects did you >>> run(flat/round/combo)? Were the stepper motors muscular enough for your >>> applications? How was the speed of the operation (both run and return)? >>> Any other observations on overall operations? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you again for taking the time to respond. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:48 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ray, >>> >>> >>> >>> Your summary sounds pretty accurate. The key things that I remember >>> giving me problems were: >>> >>> - Configuring the right IP address in the Ethernet setup >>> - On my laptop, I had to disable wireless after things were set up >>> or it would not work (this took a while to figure out) >>> - Tuning the settings to make sure the programs knew the setup for >>> the 1200. Setup in this case means: dimensions of the cutting area, >>> tuning >>> the stepper motors for accurate measurements, start and end positions on >>> all axes (X,Y,Z,A). I ruined a nice bit when I ran it into my headstock >>> on >>> the mill because this was not setup and tested correctly :(. >>> >>> Not too long after I got the CNC Upgraded 1200, I got a Legacy Explorer >>> CNC at a great price. I've only used that a little so far but I was able to >>> get the same computer for the Explorer to talk to and run the CNC Upgraded >>> 1200. I only bring that up because the version of Windows and the version >>> of Mach were all quite a few years newer and I was still able to get it to >>> work with the older CNC setup. Patient troubleshooting and tuning was the >>> key for me. I was not on a deadline and enjoyed figuring it out. So, even >>> though it took a while, it wasn't frustrating. >>> >>> >>> >>> One other advantage I had was the person I bought the CNC upgraded 1200 >>> from had taken the control box, that originally came with the CNC upgrade, >>> to Legacy and had them replace the old parallel cable with a new CAT5 >>> cable. That just meant it was a lot easier to plug into a modern computer. >>> I'm sure most control boxes that would have come with the original CNC >>> upgrade would still have the old cables and ports - which would create >>> challenges to connect to a computer now. >>> >>> >>> >>> I also was able to take the 2 day course Legacy offers on how to run a >>> CNC. That was pretty cool and tons of what I learned there, although >>> tailored to the current CNCs, was still very relevant to the CNC upgraded >>> 1200. >>> >>> >>> >>> Again, hope this is helpful. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:03 PM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy. Your comments is >>> definitely helpful. >>> >>> >>> >>> I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade kit >>> when they put it out. Given how long ago that software came out and how >>> fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an update >>> that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system. I was fishing in >>> other words. >>> >>> >>> >>> Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I was >>> seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as >>> you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install >>> Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version) >>> from www.artsoftcontrols.com. Then you needed to download a >>> Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the >>> Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to >>> download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance >>> Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R&P.xml. >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was >>> Microsoft Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7. Apparently this was also used >>> for their Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard and >>> Performance CNC Upgrade Kits. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not an IT guy. Does the above sound correct given your >>> understanding? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ray, >>> >>> >>> >>> What do you mean by "what code was used"? >>> >>> >>> >>> Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles and >>> that program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This (Conversational >>> Cam) is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into Mach 3 (or other >>> versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to drive the CNC. When I >>> got my CNC Performance Upgraded model 1200, I spent about 2 weeks fiddling >>> with it to get it to work. It was hours looking at very old web forums and >>> lots of careful trial and error. I'm an IT guys so for me it was a lot of >>> fun and I was very happy when I got everything working. It was definitely a >>> challenge and there was little that was straightforward about it. The >>> biggest problem was figuring out how to get modern software to be aware of >>> and talk to the "old" Legacy CNC machine. I couldn't coach someone on how >>> to repeat what I did. I would have to go through and figure it all out >>> again. I did a ton of spindle work once I got it all working but it's been >>> over 1.5 years since I did anything. I plan to do more work next year so >>> will I will be forced to refresh myself on the process. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am happy to help if I can but be prepared :). >>> >>> >>> >>> Regarding question 2, I believe technically, you could use any software >>> that produces gcode. There is a different to doing CNC work on a flat >>> surface as compared to a round rotating surface. I would image you could >>> buy the current version of Conversational Cam from Legacy and it would >>> still create workable gcode for you. The challenge will be the tools used >>> to process the gcode and actually "talks" to your machine. >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope that helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:37 AM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Do any users of the CNC Performance Upgrade Kit here know what code was >>> used at the time the kit was sold initially? >>> >>> >>> >>> Secondly, is that kit's software updatable for compatibility with say >>> today's CAM/CAD or other software packages? >>> >>> >>> >>> In other words can the original kit software be updated? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> 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