There is a legacy video out there somewhere showing how to do a pineapple pattern
Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2020 4:35 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit Might have to consult the Guru Mike Pung???? I've heard him call some work he did Pineapple too? Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:25 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com <mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com> > wrote: I'm sure I picked up the terms brick and pineapple pattern from somewhere. I'm not that creative :) On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:22 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com <mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com> > wrote: Spot on Bill! On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:11 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: They look like brick patterns to me will see what Tracy says Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ray Leaman Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2020 1:31 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit Those are some great turnings Tracy. In the pic with the 3 stacks of spindles, is there a name for the patterns of the top 1 & 2 of the middle stack; and the 3rd and 4th from the top in the stack on the right? Those are really interesting. They also look complicated. Also, in an earlier post you mentioned that the previous owner of your 1200 with the CNC Upgrade had gotten Legacy to rewire the unit with CAT 5 replacing the original wiring. Any idea how hard that would be to do or have done today? Probably need a PhD in Electrical Engineering I'm guessing. Thanks for the pics. Ray On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:05 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com <mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com> > wrote: Here are some links to the posts I made a couple years ago: - https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/cn324UH5FF0/m/HWRLDoShBwAJ - https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/m9RAH_NZdus/m/qq8oFMJ3BQAJ - https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/YQRK74hviVw/m/IgiSIeJJAgAJ I've included a couple pictures of the work I did that was specific to the CNC upgrade. Tracy On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com <mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote: Thanks for the additional information Tracy. It helps a lot with understanding what it would take to install then operate the CNC Upgrade. Good to know it was powerful enough to handle what seems like a good test on some fairly large projects. I wish you luck with your 2000 machine although it doesn't seem like you will need it given your IT knowledge and experience with the upgrade on your 1200 already.. I'm sure you will have a lot of fun getting the CNC Upgrade resituated. and operating. With regard to the "Archives" for this site...I've searched but all I come up with is the email stream for the site. Is that what you are talking about or is there an actual archive with topic search capability? Again. Thanks for your time. Ray On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com <mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi Ray, Sorry it has taken so long to respond. It has been pretty crazy at work this last week. Once I got everything tuned in, I was very happy. If you search for the word "gazebo" in the group archive, you will find some of my posts and pictures I shared about 2 years ago. I made about 70% of the spindles for my project and expect to finish the rest in 2021. I made over 150 spindles that were about 1x1x12 with 20 different designs. I also made a few balusters that were about 4x4x30. I made most of the baluster using a model 1500 before I found the CNC upgraded machine. I also made 8 6x6x7' posts for my project. There was a lot of variety and I had a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to getting back into it next year but, honestly, a bit nervous about figuring out how to use everything again. I found the CNC upgrade to work great and have plenty of power. I actually jimmy-rigged a 12"+ extension on my machine to work on the 7 foot posts. It had no problem turning it. Even though the machine can handle larger parts, that was the largest part I tried on the machine. I found the frame of the model 1200 to be a bit shaky. The CNC upgrade is quite heavy and when the machine really starts working, I would intentionally slow it down to minimize the wobble.There was some slight drift when changing directions that was only noticeable when I was doing the smaller spindles and with a much finer design. I got around this by modifying the gcode to always work from one direction instead of going back and forth. This is where my IT background was nice. For example, by default the initial cut was made going down the part and the final cut on the return. Changing directions caused a slight shift that could be seen on the part. This last summer I got a great deal on a model 2000. My plan is to retrofit the CNC upgrade on the model 2000 but this discussion over the last few weeks makes me wonder if the motor that rotates the parts (A axis) will be strong enough if I ever put much large parts on it. I think it would be fun to try and do a cool design on a 12x12 long post. Who knows if that will happen. My primary reason for wanting to do this is because of the wobble I experienced on the 1200. The reality is the wobble isn't horrible and you could work just fine by slowing things down or creating a stronger base. I haven't done that. The model 2000 is a far more solid frame. Again, we'll see. Again, apologies for the long delay. Things have calmed down so other replies won't take so long. Tracy On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 7:35 PM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com <mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote: Thanks again for the feedback. Answered a number of questions I had. Now I understand why they said the computer used should not be on line (i.e, the WiFi issue). Glad you were able to get the CNC Upgrade to still operate properly using newer versions of Mach and Windows. It seems overall that getting things calibrated was a bit finicky. I was wondering how the run limits for the X,Y,Z, and A axis were set. I can see why it would be useful to have a background in IT. Wanted to ask how you found the overall operation of the system once everything was calibrated for running a project?. What projects did you run(flat/round/combo)? Were the stepper motors muscular enough for your applications? How was the speed of the operation (both run and return)? Any other observations on overall operations? Thank you again for taking the time to respond. Ray On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:48 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com <mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com> > wrote: Ray, Your summary sounds pretty accurate. The key things that I remember giving me problems were: * Configuring the right IP address in the Ethernet setup * On my laptop, I had to disable wireless after things were set up or it would not work (this took a while to figure out) * Tuning the settings to make sure the programs knew the setup for the 1200. Setup in this case means: dimensions of the cutting area, tuning the stepper motors for accurate measurements, start and end positions on all axes (X,Y,Z,A). I ruined a nice bit when I ran it into my headstock on the mill because this was not setup and tested correctly :(. Not too long after I got the CNC Upgraded 1200, I got a Legacy Explorer CNC at a great price. I've only used that a little so far but I was able to get the same computer for the Explorer to talk to and run the CNC Upgraded 1200. I only bring that up because the version of Windows and the version of Mach were all quite a few years newer and I was still able to get it to work with the older CNC setup. Patient troubleshooting and tuning was the key for me. I was not on a deadline and enjoyed figuring it out. So, even though it took a while, it wasn't frustrating. One other advantage I had was the person I bought the CNC upgraded 1200 from had taken the control box, that originally came with the CNC upgrade, to Legacy and had them replace the old parallel cable with a new CAT5 cable. That just meant it was a lot easier to plug into a modern computer. I'm sure most control boxes that would have come with the original CNC upgrade would still have the old cables and ports - which would create challenges to connect to a computer now. I also was able to take the 2 day course Legacy offers on how to run a CNC. That was pretty cool and tons of what I learned there, although tailored to the current CNCs, was still very relevant to the CNC upgraded 1200. Again, hope this is helpful. Tracy On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:03 PM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com <mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote: Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy. Your comments is definitely helpful. I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade kit when they put it out. Given how long ago that software came out and how fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an update that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system. I was fishing in other words. Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I was seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version) from www.artsoftcontrols.com <http://www.artsoftcontrols.com> . Then you needed to download a Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R&P.xml. Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was Microsoft Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7. Apparently this was also used for their Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out. I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard and Performance CNC Upgrade Kits. I am not an IT guy. Does the above sound correct given your understanding? Thanks Ray On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com <mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi Ray, What do you mean by "what code was used"? Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles and that program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This (Conversational Cam) is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into Mach 3 (or other versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to drive the CNC. When I got my CNC Performance Upgraded model 1200, I spent about 2 weeks fiddling with it to get it to work. It was hours looking at very old web forums and lots of careful trial and error. I'm an IT guys so for me it was a lot of fun and I was very happy when I got everything working. It was definitely a challenge and there was little that was straightforward about it. The biggest problem was figuring out how to get modern software to be aware of and talk to the "old" Legacy CNC machine. I couldn't coach someone on how to repeat what I did. I would have to go through and figure it all out again. I did a ton of spindle work once I got it all working but it's been over 1.5 years since I did anything. I plan to do more work next year so will I will be forced to refresh myself on the process. I am happy to help if I can but be prepared :). Regarding question 2, I believe technically, you could use any software that produces gcode. There is a different to doing CNC work on a flat surface as compared to a round rotating surface. I would image you could buy the current version of Conversational Cam from Legacy and it would still create workable gcode for you. The challenge will be the tools used to process the gcode and actually "talks" to your machine. I hope that helps. Regards, Tracy On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:37 AM Ray Leaman <view...@gmail.com <mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote: Do any users of the CNC Performance Upgrade Kit here know what code was used at the time the kit was sold initially? 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