Something tells me this is going to be a long thread. Regarding Ancestry.com and census images or any other historical image. Have you noticed that Ancestry wants you to put their name in the citation regardless of who the actual repository of the record may be. For example, if you have a digital image of a census record, then in my opinion, the NARA is the source of the actual image. Some people may have a different point of view exclaiming "but you got it using the Ancestry web site." Well, if you ordered a copy of the image directly from NARA, you wouldn't cite the US Postal Service as the source would you even though they were the ones that delivered it to your door.
Brian in CA > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Hall [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:56 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LegacyUG] Eek! Just joining Ancestry.com - citation > nightmare? > > I have finally decided to start my subcription to Ancestry.com, but > have hit a bit of a barrier out of the gate--my old friend, citations. > > Ancestry is very good at telling you exactly what the citation should > be, but matching that to Evidence Explained--or the Source Writer > template--seems a bit tricky at times. I'm working with the Federal > census mortality schedules now. > > It appears that the mortality schedules on Ancestry come from a > variety of NARA microfilms, depending on which state the information > is coming from. It appears, unlike the Federal censuses for which > each year cites a single microfilm reference (e.g. the 1860 census > refers to M653), the "source of the source" here changes depending on > the state. But I see no Legacy SourceWriter template. > > I also note that the Ancestry.com citation doesn't seem to match > Mills, or Legacy. Take the 1860 population schedule. Legacy, > modeling Mills, says the citation should look like this: > > 1860 U.S. census, Monroe County, New York population schedule; digital > images, *Ancestry.com* (http://www.ancestry.com); citing National > Archives and Records Administration microfilm M653. > > But Ancestry says: > > Ancestry.com. *1860 United States Federal Census* [database on-line]. > Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced > by FamilySearch. Original data: 1860 U.S. census, population > schedule. NARA microfilm publication M653, 1,438 rolls. Washington, > D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d. > > Citation junkies who use Ancestry, how do you reconcile this in your > mind? Just two different systems? And, most importantly, how do you > cite nonpopulation schedules given the absence of a template in > Legacy? For example, I'm looking at an image of the 1860 Mortality > Schedule for Lycoming County, PA. Ancestry lists: > > Citation #1: > Ancestry.com. *U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1885* > [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., > 2010. A portion of this collection was indexed by Ancestry World > Archives Project contributors. > > Original data citations: > General: > United States. *Federal Mortality Census Schedules, 1850-1880 > (formerly in the custody of the Daughters of the American Revolution), > and Related Indexes, 1850-1880.* T655, 30 rolls. National Archives and > Records Administration, Washington D.C. > > For PA, it then lists: > United States. *Non-Population Census Schedules for Pennsylvania, > 1850-1880: Mortality*. M1838, 11 rolls. National Archives and Records > Administration, Washington D.C. > > The particular record I'm looking at appears to have come from roll > M1838, so I suppose that is the citation I should use. I'm not sure > when the generic U.S. citation would apply? Perhaps some records are > from T655 and others from M1838. > > I *think* the right citation (Mills style) is: > 1860 U.S. census, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania mortality schedule; > digital images, *Ancestry.com* (http://www.ancestry.com); citing > National Archives and Records Administration microfilm M1838. > > > What do you think? And, again, most importantly how do you cite this > in Legacy? Use the census template and overrride it? Something else? > > Thanks!! > > > Scott > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
