Welp ! I am sure this is 'way' off topic. Sherry mentions nothing. At least my off topic I got reprimanded for had to do with genealogy !
? ...... Regards, Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Researching Sweden On 9/24/2011 10:07 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Alan, > I have looked at those sections and firstly it says “it helps to protect > your interests by obliging organisations to manage the information they > hold in a proper way“. ^Now I am retired I am no longer an organisation > and as such subject qualify for the exemptions given at > http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/the_guide/exemptions.aspx. > > The exemptions are as quoted in my previous post. I repeat that I did > check my interpretation around 2 to 3 years ago with the Registrar’s > Office, when I was advised that the data and its use qualified for > exemption. I have, therefore, no worries with respect to the Act. > I take it that if you feel that you need to comply with the Act you have > registered you database with the authorities. > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > *From:* Alan Pereira <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:44 AM > *To:* [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Ron please look at > > Extract from http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_the_public/the_acts.aspx > > "The Act works in two ways. Firstly, it helps to protect your interests > by obliging organisations to manage the information they hold in a > proper way. *It states that anyone who processes personal information > must comply with eight principles, which make sure that it is:* > > ·fairly and lawfully processed; > > ·processed for limited purposes; > > ·adequate, relevant and not excessive; > > ·accurate and up to date; > > ·not kept for longer than is necessary; > > ·processed in line with your rights; > > ·secure; and > > ·not transferred to other countries without adequate protection. " > > As we are handling personal information on many living individuals, we > fall into the category of an Organisation, for which Principle 7 applies > > http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/the_guide/principle_7.aspx > > If you wish to interpret this another way, I hope you are prepared for > litigation if it can be proved you supplied details on the living which > helped someone steal their identity. > > Alan > > *From:*Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 24 September 2011 11:07 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Sorry, Alan, but I beg to disagree. As a consultant, I also was involved > in registrations under the Data Protection Act since it was first > enacted in the early-mid 1980s, until I retired. Your statement “Could > the data held in my Legacy file be used to steal someone's identity? If > the answer to that question is "yes" or "possibly" then all the > exemptions you list do not apply.†is not within the Act either > expressly or otherwise. > > Of course, the Ford Motor Company has to register and comply as it is a > commercial operation, and as you will appreciated cannot be included in > the exemption which I quoted. > > Ron Ferguson > > http://www.ferguson.co.uk/ > > *From:*Alan Pereira <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:*Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:10 AM > > *To:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Subject:*RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Ron, > > I too have looked in detail at the Data Protection Act and was for some > part of my IT career responsible for pulling the data protection > requirements for Ford Motor Company in the UK, so I have been immersed > in this subject. > > Of the Living people in your database, ask yourself the question: Could > the data held in my Legacy file be used to steal someone's identity? If > the answer to that question is "yes" or "possibly" then all the > exemptions you list do not apply. > > I could go on but I think this subject has been aired in this User List > enough - Legacy Users should make up their own mind and you know my opinion. > > Alan > > *From:*Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 23 September 2011 21:05 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Alan, > > Whilst I too may have reservations about disclosing information about > living persons, I think that your interpretation of the UK Data > Protection Acts is inaccurate. > > I would draw you attention to their website where it states that: > > Exemptions are possible for: > > ...... > > Processing personal information for personal, family or household affairs > > (including recreational purposes). > > and for exempt persons/usage/organisations: > > Personal, family and household affairs > > Individuals are exempt from notification if the only information > processed is for personal, > > domestic and household affairs (including recreational purposes). > Examples might include > > a personal address list, Christmas card list or personal information > held in connection > > with a hobby. > > This exemption does not apply to individuals who hold personal > information for business or > > professional purposes. > > I did check the meaning of this some time with respect to a database > which I was offering to the general public, and was assured that if the > usage fell into the above classes, registration under the Act was not > required. > > Ron Ferguson > > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > *From:*Alan Pereira <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:*Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:59 PM > > *To:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Subject:*RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Paul, this subject has deviated a long way from my reply to Syble > Glasscock <mailto:[email protected]> who may have experienced a > similar problem. > > I have been through this hoop already - I am not waiting or expecting > anything to happen! > > Others will have this problem who are based in the USA and who will not > be subject to the restrictions we have in Europe - perhaps then this > problem will be understood. > > I am sorry that my unwillingness to break the Law has slowed down Legacy > developers in resolving this problem. I did offer to help analyse my > database from this end as I am a Relational Database Expert and am > proficient in MSAccess on which Legacy is based. > > Alan > > *From:*Paul Gray [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 22 September 2011 17:05 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Alan, > > I am not sure what you want to happen. You are suggesting ( I think) > that there is a database problem, and Legacy needs the database to > diagnose it. If you can’t, or won’t, provide the database (for any > reason) I can’t see what more can be done. > > Paul > > *From:*Alan Pereira [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* September-22-11 9:53 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Please read the Data Protection web site and you will see the > impossibility of that statement. > > Alan > > *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 22 September 2011 16:11 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > I am just saying, maybe there is an exception to the rule. > > michele > > *From:*Alan Pereira <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:*Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:03 AM > > *To:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Subject:*RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data > > Michele, would you knowingly break a law that, in part, has been put in > place to protect people from Identify Fraud? > > Especially when those people are your relatives! > > Alan > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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