John, I do not bother with rants!!! You are simply haven't got it.
Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 10:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Ron, not only do you not read messages carefully, you don’t seem to look at the findmypast screens which you are pontificating about. 1. You say that the findmypast search is based on the Registration District but on the Basic search screen you can search by birth place, place of residence and COUNTY but NOT by registration district. It is only the Advanced search screen (which I rarely use, because I have not found it of much help) that you can also search by RD, civil parish, etc (etc depending on the census year). Incidentally the search of a database is based on one or more indexes. 2. The search list then takes you to the Household Transcription - which shows some of the reference numbers (but not Enumeration District or Schedule number unfortunately except for 1911), Registration District, Civil Parish, Address and COUNTY. Your reference to searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire in the 1851 census exactly proves my point - none found by Findmypast and 5 by Ancestry. Did you not try the Ancestry search before responding? By location I do not mean RD, I mean place, as defined (today) by geo-code. John -----Original Message----- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 February 2012 21:20 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, The only person who never misunderstands or never makes a mistake is the one who usually says nothing, or has tunnel vision. When I do I will admit it, but not in this case. However, I think that we are talking at cross purposes. I believe that what you call the Location is what I would call the Registration District. The search in FMP is based on the latter. I usually find it best when looking for returns near a boundary not to enter a county ie. leave it set to "any". Searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, will not be found in 1851 by searching for that location, because the Registration District is Stockton, County Durham. Before searching any county I always check the Registration Districts. I am not too happy with this way of searching, myself, although it does have advantages for those of us who carry out One-Name Studies, but my point is that on FMP's page for a family result it gives the Registration details, the Location has to be obtained from the Image - I usually do this with Ancestry as well btw. , because I do not wish to reply on somebody else's interpretation, which one is advised to do anyhow. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk. -----Original Message----- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very carefully before replying. I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I did not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate. I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in the transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the Search facility as well. For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire, you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census transcriptions if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of Banbury RD because Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in Oxfordshire and changes Northamptonshire on the census page image to Oxfordshire. Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for people living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you 126 individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30. You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore "the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form" this means that I do know where to find an address on a census page. In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can also click on an "Address" link to see the accompanying form which the enumerator has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two versions of the address. John Clifford -----Original Message----- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations John, Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for example "West Ward". The presentation of the the Registration Districts is accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be found by/at the GRO. Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page, but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the bottom right of the image. I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice. Ron Ferguson www.fergys.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: John Clifford Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of findmypast. Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original registration form. Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have refused and then added "we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the original census page" When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I have received no reply. Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy. John Clifford -----Original Message----- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations Tony, Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen > I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that > location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled > versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA > for locations too though, with date and text fields. What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given location. Something like Long Name: Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here Short Name: to: current short name for the place One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location differently on different censuses. It would be nice to record what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each census. Now the program would pick the short name according to the date for the display. Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying by date with a "Location name" to identify it, but which isn't used in reports. 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