I totally agree with other posters … I’d use “of Cleves” or “von Cleve” as the last name since there is no standard family “last name” in many German or English aristocracy.
Incidentally, you may want to verify the “der Freiliche” part … I think that’s an error. In many sources, including Wikipedia, it’s “der Friedfertige” or “der Friedlich” … it’s a descriptor meaning “the peaceful”, much like the descriptor “Richard the Lionhearted” From: lee zuker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames ItI have been unable to find a standard for handling surnames, and I am wondering if some have a good solution to this problem: I have many ancestors, like most of use, back in the 14th century and older. And I don't know what to do with the pieces of their names that where basically their "surname" is "from somewhere". take a simple one… Anne of Cleves, daughter of John III, Duke of Cleves Since there is no family surname, i am using "of Cleves" as a surname. But if there were a known family surname, as sometimes there is, would "of Cleves" become a suffix? and for her father, would his surname be "Duke of Cleves"? With Legacy, since there is a separate prefix, Duke could be a prefix, but then the order of is changed. and then there is the nagging "Sir"…... that could also be the prefix. or the surname "of Cleves", and the suffix then be "Duke", or some other way. According to Wikipedia his real name is" <x-msg://1397/> "Herzog Johann III der Freiliche Von Kleve herzog von Juelich und von Berg" [Herzog is Duke in German] <x-msg://1397/> personally I tend to put all this in AKA would be interested in any standard or approach that anyone might be interested in sharing Lee Zuker Shelton, WA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
