Exactly … that’s the point IO was making
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames I think that we should be careful of confusing nick names with real names “The Lionheart” and “The Terrible” are nick names. We have two English Prime Ministers William Pitt the Elder and William Pitt the Younger they were both named “William Pitt”; “the Elder” and “the younger” were nick names used to specifically identify them. You could, I suppose, put them as suffixes in the Alt Name, if you so wish. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Bernd Hornung <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:42 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUserscom <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames I was thinking of opening this line of discussion at some time as I have also pondered how to best handled the "vons, van ders, etc" in Legacy. Putting the von in the surname comes out OK in reports (as far as I can tell) but it appears as the surname when you do an Internet search of FamilySearch, either site. But, if you put the von as prefix or suffix it just doesn't look right in the Family View. I have several "the Elder", "the Younger" or even "I-II-III" and use the suffix for this. I do use the prefix for "Doctor, Professor, or noble title". Lee - I was thinking of Ivan the Terrible as an example, but yours is better. There is so much to learn in switching to Legacy that it is sometimes overwhelming, but these discussions have been helpful. Thanks to all. Bernie On 29/05/2013 10:08 AM, Lee Bruch wrote: I totally agree with other posters … I’d use “of Cleves†or “von Cleve†as the last name since there is no standard family “last name†in many German or English aristocracy. Incidentally, you may want to verify the “der Freiliche†part … I think that’s an error. In many sources, including Wikipedia, it’s “der Friedfertige†or “der Friedlich†… it’s a descriptor meaning “the peacefulâ€, much like the descriptor “Richard the Lionhearted† From: lee zuker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames  ItI have been unable to find a standard for handling surnames, and I am wondering if some have a good solution to this problem:  I have many ancestors, like most of use, back in the 14th century and older. And I don't know what to do with the pieces of their names that where basically their "surname" is "from somewhere". take a simple one… Anne of Cleves, daughter of John III, Duke of Cleves Since there is no family surname, i am using "of Cleves" as a surname. But if there were a known family surname, as sometimes there is, would "of Cleves" become a suffix? and for her father, would his surname be "Duke of Cleves"?  With Legacy, since there is a separate prefix, Duke could be a prefix, but then the order of is changed.  and then there is the nagging "Sir"…...  that could also be the prefix. or the surname "of Cleves", and the suffix then be "Duke", or some other way.   According to Wikipedia his real name is" <x-msg://1397/> "Herzog Johann III der Freiliche Von Kleve herzog von Juelich und von Berg" [Herzog is Duke in German] <x-msg://1397/> personally I tend to put all this in AKA  would be interested in any standard or approach that anyone might be interested in sharing  Lee Zuker Shelton, WA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
