Let's put on our 19th Century thinking caps a minute. There was no difference in most people's understanding of what we call 'baptism by sprinkling' as it was performed by the church. Whether it was 'Christening' or 'Baptism' the event was pretty much the same - preformed by the church and generally done at an early age.
For the church of that era, it was followed by confirmation and communion as the child reach the 'age of accountability' as they grew up. Then bring in the 'Reformation' tradition of 'Baptism by immersion' and we are talking about a separate event - hence the need for a 'Custom Event' in Legacy. My ancestors were devote to their church upbringing and their 'baptism by sprinkling' was an event for them and their children at an early age. It is only with the modern century (post 19th) that we see a move away from that tradition. In the early generations, there was only one 'baptism' but in more recent generations there might be a second 'baptism' that was for a different purpose. And with children of the modern era (late 20th and 21st centruy) the 'infant baptism' is probably becoming more rare unless the parents demand it. Is the software developed for the modern era or the ancient era? IMHO, it was developed for the 'ancient era' as we record our past, albeit it can be used in the modern also. Therefore, leaving 'adult baptism' as a 'custom event' makes sense to me. Just my 2-bits! John Hannigan Houston, Texas On Monday 3 30 2015 1:35 PM, Larry Lee wrote: > John, > > You say .../most could agree that the Custom Event should be used when// > the person is, say, over 10, as that Baptism is not indicative of the > person's birth date. / > > I disagree. Why a Custom Event? Why not just use the existing Baptism > event? > > Since a Christening implies naming an infant it can reasonably be used > as a defacto near birth date. As you mention a Baptism can be at any > age, therefore, this field should not be used to determine age. If one > has information on the age at baptism it can be included. If not a > note can be used to include the users guess/belief of the age. > > I just don't see the need for another Custom event. Am I > misunderstanding your comment? > > > > Larry Lee > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:18 AM, John Lisle <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Brian, Cathy, et al, > > This has been an interesting discussion. Why this discussion is most > interesting is how you relate this to how the events are recorded > in Legacy. > > Brian, having looked at many English parish records, I can agree with > Cathy that Baptism and Christening are used more or less > interchangeably with a strong dominance of Baptism. > > Further, no differentiation seems to be made in those Registers > between infant baptism and "adult" baptism when it comes to how the > event is registered. > > Now the question comes as to what we should consider infant baptism > which is used as a strong indicator of birth date in Legacy and > should be recorded in the Bapt/Chr vital event field on the > Individual Info window and what might be better recorded as a Baptism > / Adult Baptism / etc. custom event? > > I think most could agree that the Custom Event should be used when > the person is, say, over 10, as that Baptism is not indicative of the > person's birth date. But then, how would you treat a baptism when you > know the child is age 2 or older? Quite often, I see in parish > records that a group of children are baptized together, and it is > obvious that they are of greatly different ages. Maybe 1 or 2 are > infants, but the rest are much older so their baptism does not give a > genealogical indication of birth date. > > Thanks to all for giving me something new to consider in recording > my data. > > john. > > > > > > > > > > At 01:42 PM 3/29/2015, Brian/Support wrote: > >As a member of the Anglican faith, Canadian equivalent of the > Church of > >England, I can tell you that we baptize infants we do not > christen them. > >It is the sacrament wherein they are made followers of Christ. > There is > >no "naming" element although the priest does ask the parents/sponsors > >the name of the child so it can be used as their name in the baptism. > >There is a variation of the baptism service for those who were not > >baptized as an infant where the promises are made by the child rather > >than the sponsors but both are baptisms. We recognize baptism by any > >Christian sect as a valid sacrament. > > > >Do you know of any religions which have both a christening and a > baptism? > > > >Brian > >Customer Support > >Millennia Corporation > >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > > > >On 29/03/2015 11:48 AM, Ana wrote: > > > Well - I disagree that baptism vs christening are not > important. Nor are > > > they the same in many religions. > > > > > > The following is over simplifying a complex issue: > > > > > > Church of England, Presbyterians & other religions = christen > infants - the > > > ceremony recognizes the baby into the body of church members, > who in turn - > > > promise to help guide the infant thru childhood. This > involves sponsors & > > > godparents (not so much in today's world) > > > If your family joins that church at a later age - say - you > are a young > > > teenager - you would then be baptized as Presbyterian & so forth. > > > > > > Baptists & other religions - baptize when a young person is > old enough to > > > accept the teachings of Christ. This would of a young > teenager - not an > > > infant. > > > > > > Of course - you can join either group at any age - & you would > be baptized > > > into the church. > > > > > > ** Example = My 6th great grandmother - Mary Cantrell was > baptized 6 Oct > > > 1744 - Welsh Tract Baptist Meeting, Pencader Hundred, New > Castle Co., > > > Del. > > > > > > Being Baptist - therefore she is NOT an infant - but a young > teenager > > > enables us to place a birth year about 1728 or so. > > > > > > Now - if you combine Christening & Bapti as the same - you > would give my > > > Mary a birth of cir 1744. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:47 AM, genetree <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >> Don't get too hung up on the terminology :) the reason for > the prominence > > >> given to baptism or christening in genealogy is that before > > civic recording > > >> of births, a baptism could be used as a birth date indicator. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPad > > >> > > >> On 29/03/2015, at 15:40, Ana <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> > > >> Oh - I wish there was such an option!! > > >> > > >> Christening is for infants in many religions. Baptism - > often means - > > >> when one joins the Church, which can be for any age from > teenager on up. > > >> Some religions do not recognize infant Baptism. > > >> > > >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Ila East > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I know there is a way to globally change christening to > baptism, but is > > >>> there any way to change it just for a few people? 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