Then there are there people that have changed churches several times and have been “Baptized” several times, so they then would have several entries as a child and as an adult.
There should NOT be any age limit for having an baptism Event. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: John Lisle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Individual's Information Screen Larry, Yes, you are misunderstanding my comment. The Baptism custom event is already part of the default event list, I believe. I was trying to illustrate when that event could be used. My reasoning for this is that there is a lot in Legacy that makes assumptions that the Baptism Vital Event is a replacement for a missing birth event. This is a part of Legacy that is good and has been around forever as far as I remember. If, say, you only had a baptism event for a child who was, say 12 or 13, and no birth vital event documented, then your record of that person will be assumed to have a birth (in some tools) as 12 years late. Now, if you wish to use baptism for an "adult" baptism, you should also make sure that your add something to the birth vital event line to make sure legacy is in right ballpark for the birth date. john. At 02:35 PM 3/30/2015, Larry Lee wrote: John, You say ...most could agree that the Custom Event should be used when the person is, say, over 10, as that Baptism is not indicative of the person's birth date. I disagree. Why a Custom Event? Why not just use the existing Baptism event? Since a Christening implies naming an infant it can reasonably be used as a defacto near birth date. As you mention a Baptism can be at any age, therefore, this field should not be used to determine age. If one has information on the age at baptism it can be included. If not a note can be used to include the users guess/belief of the age. I just don't see the need for another Custom event. Am I misunderstanding your comment?  Larry Lee ldlee. [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:18 AM, John Lisle <[email protected]> wrote: Brian, Cathy, et al, This has been an interesting discussion. Why this discussion is most interesting is how you relate this to how the events are recorded in Legacy. Brian, having looked at many English parish records, I can agree with Cathy that Baptism and Christening are used more or less interchangeably with a strong dominance of Baptism. Further, no differentiation seems to be made in those Registers between infant baptism and "adult" baptism when it comes to how the event is registered. Now the question comes as to what we should consider infant baptism which is used as a strong indicator of birth date in Legacy and should be recorded in the Bapt/Chr vital event field on the Individual Info window and what might be better recorded as a Baptism / Adult Baptism / etc. custom event? I think most could agree that the Custom Event should be used when the person is, say, over 10, as that Baptism is not indicative of the person's birth date. But then, how would you treat a baptism when you know the child is age 2 or older? Quite often, I see in parish records that a group of children are baptized together, and it is obvious that they are of greatly different ages. Maybe 1 or 2 are infants, but the rest are much older so their baptism does not give a genealogical indication of birth date. Thanks to all for giving me something new to consider in recording my data. john. At 01:42 PM 3/29/2015, Brian/Support wrote: >As a member of the Anglican faith, Canadian equivalent of the Church of >England, I can tell you that we baptize infants we do not christen them. >It is the sacrament wherein they are made followers of Christ. There is >no "naming" element although the priest does ask the parents/sponsors >the name of the child so it can be used as their name in the baptism. >There is a variation of the baptism service for those who were not >baptized as an infant where the promises are made by the child rather >than the sponsors but both are baptisms. We recognize baptism by any >Christian sect as a valid sacrament. > >Do you know of any religions which have both a christening and a baptism? > >Brian >Customer Support >Millennia Corporation > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/> > >On 29/03/2015 11:48 AM, Ana wrote: > > Well - I disagree that baptism vs christening are not important. Nor are > > they the same in many religions. > > > > The following is over simplifying a complex issue: > > > > Church of England, Presbyterians & other religions = christen infants - the > > ceremony recognizes the baby into the body of church members, who in turn - > > promise to help guide the infant thru childhood.  This involves sponsors > > & > > godparents (not so much in today's world) > >  If your family joins that church at a later age - say - you are a young > > teenager - you would then be baptized as Presbyterian & so forth. > > > > Baptists & other religions - baptize when a young person is old enough to > > accept the teachings of Christ. This would of a young teenager - not an > > infant. > > > > Of course - you can join either group at any age - & you would be baptized > > into the church. > > > > ** Example = My 6th great grandmother - Mary Cantrell was baptized 6 Oct > > 1744 - Welsh Tract Baptist Meeting, Pencader Hundred, New Castle Co., > > Del. > > > > Being Baptist - therefore she is NOT an infant - but a young teenager > > enables us to place a birth year about 1728 or so. > > > > Now - if you combine Christening & Bapti as the same - you would give my > > Mary a birth of cir 1744. > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:47 AM, genetree <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Don't get too hung up on the terminology :) the reason for the prominence > >> given to baptism or christening in genealogy is that before > civic recording > >> of births, a baptism could be used as a birth date indicator. > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On 29/03/2015, at 15:40, Ana <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Oh - I wish there was such an option!! > >> > >> Christening is for infants in many religions.  Baptism - often means - > >> when one joins the Church, which can be for any age from teenager on up. > >> Some religions do not recognize infant Baptism. > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Ila East <[email protected] > wrote: > >> > >>> I know there is a way to globally change christening to baptism, but is > >>> there any way to change it just for a few people? As we know, not all our > >>> ancestors did things exactly the same way. > >>> > >>> Ila Easr > >>> > >>> http://diabeticdogrocky.blogspot.com > >>> http://ilasrambings.blogspot.com <http://ilasrambings.blogspot.com/> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree <http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree> ) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com <http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com> ). 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