No one would confuse Boston, MA, or Boston, MA, USA for being in South Africa.
Hoosierly yours,
James G. Hermsen8108 Laura Lynne LaneIndianapolis, IN 46217
317-679-1466 cell317-881-4600 land line
On Saturday, August 03, 2019 11:46:18 PM EDT, Donna Newell
<djnewel...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is very wise. Avoid confusion. Avoid abbreviations, USA could be United
States or Union of South Africa. Use appropriate names, enter place as it is
in the time period that the event takes place. Study up on genealogy standards
and practices.
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 3, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Christopher Seward Sr. <csewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
It makes perfect sense. "New York" - is that New York City, New York County,
or New York State?
New York ,,,USA would be city
,New York ,,USA would be county
,,New York ,USA would be state
If you can tell which one someone meant by just entering "New York", you need
to play the lottery immediately. LOL
For those of us who are NOT psychic, please use that proper standard, and put
what ever you please in the notes.
My humble opinion - tempered with 35+ years of experience as a professional
genealogist.
Christopher
On 8/3/2019 2:07 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
What does not make sense is seeing something like: , , , Indiana, United
States of America. when a simple IN would do. Or: , , , Berlin, Democratic
Republic of Germany. You can find whatever available record in Berlin today
regardless if it was Prussia, Imperial Germany, Natzi Germany, East Germany or
West Germany or Occupied American Sector, French Sector, or British Sector, or
Federal Rpublic of Germany. This junk belongs in the notes not in the primary
entry.
Hoosierly yours,
James G. Hermsen 8108 Laura Lynne Lane Indianapolis, IN 46217
317-679-1466 cell 317-881-4600 land line
On Saturday, August 03, 2019 09:22:00 AM EDT,
Christopher Seward Sr <csewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
James, I understand where you're coming from. I just think that handling
data in a manner that deviates from the standard is inviting data integrity
issues. As I said, the choice is yours. Just be aware of the lasting issues it
will cause for those who come after.
Christopher
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 4:59 AM James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
<legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:
Exactly my point. Putting historical location in the notes maintains all
the information one needs and still be sensible and useful to family members.
If people import information without looking at the notes, then they are not
being a good genealogist. It tells me that they just copy things for numbers,
not for reliable and useful information to share.
Hoosierly yours,
James G. Hermsen 8108 Laura Lynne Lane Indianapolis, IN 46217
317-679-1466 cell 317-881-4600 land line
On Friday, August 02, 2019 08:51:50 AM EDT, Bill Hoff
<bh...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Then one cannot find on a map if historic locations used. With many
relatives in West Virginia I have this problem. WV did not become a state
until June 20, 1863. On top of that many counties within the state were
divided over many years, far too many for me to recall them all. Then there is
the problem of knowing locations but not dates so one cannot be certain of
entries Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Christopher Seward Sr. <csewar...@gmail.com> wrote:
You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if you publish &
share this information, your method goes against the standard, and can cause
issues.
An example for me was importing a person's info into my file. I kept getting
import errors stating the the location (birth place) did not exist on that
date (birth date). Now I have an issue, since this place not only didn't exist
when this person was born, but when it did exist, it was in a different
country than when he was born, thus making him appear to be of one heritage,
but was actually another.
I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting the current
name of the location in the notes.
On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Yes, but in the notes. Most people I share my information with want to
know where the place is now. They, like Trump, have no regard for history, and
those who know their history, already know what the original name is. Looking
for documents, the current place will know what jurisdiction they once were
governed by. It is all about being usable for current people. Otherwise, we
would all be recording everying in Latin like they once did.
Hoosierly yours,
James G. Hermsen 8108 Laura Lynne Lane Indianapolis, IN 46217
317-679-1466 cell 317-881-4600 land line
On Thursday, August 01, 2019 01:22:29 PM EDT,
sarrazingeor...@gmail.com <sarrazingeor...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think one should always the name of a location the way it is indicated in
the documentation.
If the name has change or if two locations have been merge, I use curly
brackets with the new name after the old name.
Ex. Romorantin {Romorantin-Lanthenay}, 41194, Loir-et-Cher, Centre-Val de
Loire, France
(Note : I use 5 fields)
Georges
De : LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> De la part de
James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
Envoyé : 1 août 2019 09:26
À : mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Cc : James G. Hermsen <jherm...@yahoo.com>
Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania
I always use the current geographic location and name today in each entry and
in the notes, remark that the geographic name and country was different then
than it is today. That way when a grandchild (or anyone) wants to find the
place on a map is able to do so. Prussia is very hard to find, if you did not
know where to look. Same thing with names of cities whose name has changed.
Stalingrad, Linengrad don't make sense for someone born after the Cold War.
Peking vs. Bejing. Same thing.
Hoosierly yours,
James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217
317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line
On Thursday, August 01, 2019 08:43:54 AM EDT, mvmcgrs---
viaLegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:
I hope you are not inserting the the added information if it is not in the
document. The jurisdictions change over time. In the US what was a county in
1850 may be another county in 1860 and still another county by 1870. The
house did not move but the boundaries did.
Marie
Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
______________________________ ______________________________ __
CG or Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for Certification
of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after
periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US
Patent & Trademark Office.
In a message dated 8/1/2019 6:24:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wrlinh...@gmail.com writes:
I do agree.
My standard is: [1. local jurisdiction/repository i.e.township, village,
city, etc], 2.County, 3.State, 4.Country
and apply to other countries similarly by always using three commas for all
locations [usually each has a repository of genealogical data] . The entry
might between comma's might be null if I don't have the information. For
example born in USA might be ", , , USA". I know I have some research to do
but I only record what I have from that source.
For folder hierarchy and some naming situations I reverse the order but always
hold to 4 elements for location. I don't believe I have ever had an
exception. I am sure I will learn about one here. So far this works for me.
Bill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:20 AM Roberta Schwalm <robertaschw...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I do the same thing, Shirley. Most of my ancestors are from Scotland, Ireland,
England, Germany and a spattering of French. The only difference is I use
"province" instead of State.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:05 PM Shirley Crampton <scshenders...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I use Village, County, State, Country. Hopefully there is no more than 1
village of the same name in the County. If the place is rural then I put the
name of the township in the first position.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:47 PM Connie Laubach <bluecorab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Trying to decide how to input the location names – I have townships that are
made up of villages and boroughs. How are others handling it?
I have thought of the following:
Village, township, county, state, United States
or
township-village, country, state, United States (I like this as all villages
within the township would be listed together)
Thank you, Connie.
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