I see your point and I don't disagree with you. If we are only talking
about dates/places then I don't think there is any copyright infringement.
Now if the person sharing data with you also quotes copyrighted material,
then it should definately be cited. I know it's not always the case, but
most copyrighted material can be found somewhere, so I would then find that
material for myself and make it my own source. I think we are getting into
a fine line here and depending on the situation, it could go either way.
Another example, if someone cited a birth certificate in their research, I
would not cite that birth certificate as mine because it's not my source,
the contributor is my source. If I want to use the birth certificate as my
source I'd find a way to get a copy for myself. When I look at someone's
research, I look at their sources to validate their work, even to the point
of asking "Would you mind showing me your source?"
What happens when the person moves, dies, etc? Good point and I've thought
about that but haven't come to a solid resolution. What happens when the
only copy of copyrighted material is destroyed in a fire or flood? I think
it's important that we (genealogy researcher's) make it a point to publish
our works, even if we self publish, and donate the material to libraries in
the area of the families researched.
Final Point: Elizabeth Shown Mills, in "Evidence! Citation & Analysis for
the Family Historian" states in the Guidelines for Documentation, page 29,
"We should not cite sources we have not used; it is both risky and unethical
to "borrow notes" from other writers." She further states that your
suggested method and my method are acceptable but my method is preferred.
I think we are both right, it just depends on the circumstance.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cheri
Casper
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 17:53
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
I respectfully disagree with your statements about not citing someone else's
sources. The Chicago Manual of Style specifically states that "references
to the work of one author . . . in that of another must cite both works."
That being said, what happens if the person from whom you received the
information dies, changes e-mail, or somehow becomes unavailable? How will
anyone know where that person got their information and where they can look
for the documentation?
I think it is a big mistake not to cite both -- the person from who you
received the information with a subsequent citation WITHIN THE ORIGINAL
CITATION to that person's source of information.
Bonnie Costello, [ITAL]Marianne Moore: Imaginary Possessions[ITAL]
(Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1981), 78, quoting (or citing, as the
case may be) Louis Zukosfky, "Sincerity and Objectification,"
[ITAL]Poetry[ITAL] 37 (February 1931): 269.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
> I think it's important to include your sources when you share information
> with other genealogists (as a profession or hobby). After all, could you
get
> away with not providing sources on a college term paper? When someone
> provides me with a report or GEDCOM, one of the first things I do is look
at
> their sources. It gives me a feel of how they do their work and sometimes
> gives me clues or hints for my own research.
>
> If I remember right, the original question started with someone wanting
> hints on how to merge the sources from another GEDCOM into his own Legacy
> data. I might be mistaken but I think that's how this thread started.
When
> I import a GEDCOM (rare, but I do once in a while), I make a copy of the
> GEDCOM and strip out all the sources before importing it to my data file.
>
> I think it's very important that you DO NOT cite someone else's sources.
If
> someone provides you with a genealogy report or GEDCOM, then that person
is
> your only source. Legacy has some nice merge features to cite all new
> individuals in this manner. If someone should later ask how I came to a
> particular conclusion or found an event in a person's life, I can cite the
> person I received the information and then provide them with contact
> information. This way the researcher can make their own decision on the
> validity (surety) of the data. I do still keep a copy of the originator's
> GEDCOM or report so I can refer back to it later when I get stuck or
> confused on a particular fact.
>
> With the use of the Internet, I'm sure there will be more data sharing in
> the year's ahead. Now that I think about it, if I found a GEDCOM that
only
> cited "GEDCOM from.." or "Import from..." type sources I think I'd have to
> give that source a surety value of ZERO and then drag that file to the
> Recycle Bin.
>
> Anyway, that's my 2-cents.
>
> Rick Hannon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lee
> VanKammen
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 00:25
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
>
>
> so so true! Individuals are apt to not be around even tomorrow little
lone
> years from now. The original source should always we cited!!! Thanks for
> your addition to my thoughts.
> Lee
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