Glenn, I agree that we've let this thread run its course. But, sometime in the future, Wim's arguments have to be addressed. With some churches now performing and blessing same-sex marriages and the possibility of people in same sex marriages having children through in-vitro fertilization, the definition of family is changing whether we like it or not. I guess the way I would summarize it is - if the child born to a same-sex union was a distant relative it wouldn't be a major issue to us. But what if it is 30 years from now and that person was our father or mother? Then, I suspect, we would be clamoring for Legacy to find a way to deal with it.
Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "woodmansrus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Netherlands or Vermont > This thread has become too much a discourse on issues that are totally > unrelated to the purpose of this user group. I am sure that the > recommendation of some of the users regarding additional features to Legacy > has been duly noted by Millennia to consider as they wish. Consequently, > no more need be said. The topic is very controversial and elicits fierce > debate on both sides of the issue, which can only galvanize people into two > different camps. This works against the spirit of mutual help and sharing > of information that should be fostered here. This list is not a forum for > social debate. I suggest we move on. Those that wish to continue the > discussion should consider forming their own list. > > Glenn Woodman > Vancouver, WA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wim prange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 6:15 PM > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Netherlands or Vermont > > > > Hi Allan, > > > > I don't think it wouldn't be very 'business-wise' of Millennia not to find > > solutions for these facts of life because they are too difficult. I > realize it > > would be a very complex task to redefine their database-design (I'm not an > > expert on relational databases but I know enough to find my way around in > > designing them). I believe that when Millennia doesn't take on this > challenge, > > the program will become obsolete. Whether people approve of it or not, it > will > > be essential for their research to record and document these > > real-life-situations. > > It's not only same-sex-marriages, it's also heterosexual relations who > aren't > > married in the strict sense but still have some legal status, children who > are > > conceived through modern technology by implanted embryo's, etc. I think > you all > > can name some modern day examples that would cause serious problems for > future > > genealogists. > > > > In my country (Netherlands), and I'm sure in other Western countries too, > there > > are different 'marital' constructions, each with their own implications > legally. > > These were constructed in the pre-same-sex-marriage area, mainly to > accommodate > > gay-relations but straight-relations also benefitted from this. These > > constructions have been incorporated in most of the Dutch genealogy > programs. > > Some of them are good too, some of them I don't like. In terms of handling > > sources, handling events, proper-database-design, inputting data etc. > Legacy is > > more satisfying to me so I will continue using Legacy. > > > > Legacy is not a religion though, it's a tool to document, record and > describe > > the facts of real life (if people disapprove of these facts they can put > it in > > the Notes-section, there is plenty of room). If these facts of life don't > fit in > > Legacy anymore then it will become obsolete and users and buyers from > their > > software will look further. Other genealogy-programmers and softwarehouses > will > > step in, I'm sure. Let's hope the exchange of data between programs will > have > > improved by then. > > > > Gr. Wim > > > > [ -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > [ Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens > > [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [ Verzonden: maandag 25 maart 2002 20:01 > > [ Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [ Onderwerp: Re: [LegacyUG] Netherlands or Vermont > > [ > > [ > > [ Personally I have no moral or religious problem with the existence of > > [ same-sex marriages, and the desire of genealogists and family historians > to > > [ record them. > > [ > > [ >From the standpoint of designing software that allows this to be done, > I > > [ suspect the problem is a little more difficult than you might think. > > [ Architectural changes would have to be made to the program in order for > this > > [ feature to work smoothly under all circumstances and without undue > burden on > > [ users. Think of all the instances in a complex program like Legacy where > the > > [ sex of a person defines the appearance of a report or chart, or the > position > > [ of a phrase, the color of a line or box, etc -- all these instances > would > > [ have to be dealt with in some way. Think also, that you might want a > person > > [ to appear in the "father role" in one family, and the "mother role" in > > [ another, so that code and controls would have to be introduced so that > you > > [ could specify what you want in each instance. > > [ > > [ Legacy already allows a person to have more than one set of parents. Why > not > > [ exploit this feature, at least for now? > > [ > > [ > > [ > > [ ----- Original Message ----- > > [ > > [ < deleted > > > [ > > [ To unsubscribe please visit: > http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > [ > > [ Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: > > [ http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > > > > > To unsubscribe please visit: > http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > > To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
