Ron, The fact that I've never intentionally used either of those two check boxes is what made this merely a nuisance for me -- I unchecked over a hundred boxes and all is well again, other than the wasted time. But had it not been for this list, I never would have known it was happening. I really feel for people who have large files and were actively using these fields.
By the way, the same type of long-distance box-checking happens with those circular "boxes" for Sex and Living in the upper part of the screen, but fortunately the active areas are much shorter. Nevertheless, it's possible to change people's sex and even "kill" them or raise them from the dead without actually clicking within the circles. This is definitely a Microsoft issue, because it is totally a case of appearance over function. Both the boxes and the circles, prominent as they appear in 3D and a different color than the background, are completely irrelevant. No matter what they imply, you do NOT have to click within that highlighted area. The actual area in which a click will be recognized is hundreds of times larger, and is not indicated in any fashion at all. The place where we actually NEED 3D and a different color is around the entire actively clickable space. But, then, that wouldn't look as good. As an aside, if you haven't been following some of the election follies on the net, that blank background space on computer screens has been one of the issues in the vote fraud investigations. A programmer was asked to come up with an undetectable method of altering the vote counts. He was told that is was strictly theoretical and would never be used. On the touch screen voting machines there were obvious places where the voters could touch to record their choices. But there were also special blank areas on the screen that could be touched by someone who knew about them in order to change the no-paper-trail vote counts. Scary stuff! I'm a firm believer that blank background space should not be dangerous. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Klotz Zellhoefer Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 17:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] The one thing that does drive me nuts about Legacy correction, Bob - no I am most certainly not willing to accept a box being checked from outside the box. The only thing, which I think most would be aware of, would be the understanding that telative text located adjacent to a checkbox will normally trigger a check in the box. If it goes beyond that, I would think that is a programming glitch within Legacy. Much as I love to blame Micro$oft, I am quite sure that this little issue would not an OS error. Thing is, I don't know that this has ever happened to me, but next time into Legacy I will certainly check for "private" individuals, as I have none! Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Janetzko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2004 16:37 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] The one thing that does drive me nuts about Legacy Paula (and Ron and Randy), That's exactly the point I was trying to make! Clicking INSIDE the check box is what should turn on the setting, not clicking anywhere in the general area. It is this clicking in "blank" screen areas that should require user acknowledgement that the area really wasn't blank after all. I realize that this is at least mostly a Microsoft issue, and they are one of the least logical and usability-oriented developers around. But there has got to be a better way to handle these fields. How many forms have we all filled out where there are boxes to check or circles to fill? The instructions always clearly state that you MUST make your choice WITHIN the box or circle, otherwise you did NOT make a choice. In Ohio and Florida these are known as "spoiled ballots". ;-) On my monitor, the check boxes for "Private" and "This individual never married" are 1/8" in size. Yet clicking 4 3/4" to the right of the "Private" box or 9 3/4" to the right of the "This individual never married" box results in a check mark in the box!!! I will definitely NOT accept responsibility for checked boxes that get turned on SO FAR AWAY from the actual box, even though Ron and Randy seem willing to do so. The only reason that I suggested a confirmation for these remotely-triggered fields is that it is so seldom that they are used intentionally. Much like confirmation of deletes, since it is done so seldom, the confirmation is not a nuisance. I'd bet that there are far more of those check boxes turned on by accident than intentionally. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 17:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] The one thing that does drive me nuts about Legacy I think just changing the screen to only recognize a click INSIDE THE CHECK BOX as setting it to Private (or Never Married) would be sufficient to remove any inadvertent changes. If you see a check in the box, then you did check the box. ;) --Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] The one thing that does drive me nuts about Legacy As is often the case I agree with Ron. At 05:09 PM 12/12/2004, you wrote: >On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:39:14 -0600, Bob Janetzko wrote: > > And now I know just HOW these people got set to Private! Thanks, > > Ron. > ><SNIP> > > > That's a VERY dangerous field in my experience. > > It would be an excellent candidate for Microsoft's ubiquitous "Are > > you sure?" message box. > > > > Bob > > >Since I prefer to accept responsibility for my own actions, I would hope >that if such a dialog box was ever implemented, >it could be turned off/on as the user so chooses. I prefer not to be >prompted to prove that I'm sure that I know what I am doing. > >Ron Bernier >Woonsocket, RI > >Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > >To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ > >To unsubscribe please visit: >http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp
