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Frederik has not shown much respect for any argument nor to anyone that disagrees with the future commercialisation of OSM. (with that I means making OSM optimally fit for commercial use; disregarding the open principles that OSM started with: leaving out the Share Alike principle) I think this discussion about copyright is really valuable, seen from the perspective of copyright laws around the world, and the ongoing legal differentiation between databases filled with facts and those filled with creative works, where the latter are supposed copyrightable and the earlier are not. Legal discusiions are going on everywhere in the world, and are supported by legal cases in several places around the world confirming the distinciton between factual databases (of which the content is not copyrightable) and creative databases (copyrightble). John thinks different about this then I, though we both support continuing the CC-BY-SA forks, that I believe will change into PD one day due to the above legal interpretations. FOSM will not have deleted the data the OSM will at that time. Frederik, I believe it is way below your professional level to respond like this. Anyone is free to spend its time discusiing this issues, and ignoring it will not make them diasappear. If international copyrigth laws will change as i expect, OSM be better prepared, and not be surprised. Simon, stop scratching frederiks back. no need to apologise. Gert cetest @ fosm.org Van: 80n [mailto:[email protected]] Verzonden: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:36 AM Aan: Licensing and other legal discussions. Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> wrote: Simon, Andreas, all, when discussing these things with the person who goes by the pseudonym of "John Smith", keep in mind that he is spending a lot of time building/supporting an OpenStreetMap "fork". The forkers, as I like to call them, are driven by all kinds of motivations, the most benign probably being a sincere worry about data loss - they believe that the license change is going to hurt OSM so much that they must do all they can do retain a live copy of the "old OSM", or even dissuade OSMF from changing altogether. Frederik, I'm sure you've been paying attention an know full well that the reason fosm.org exists is because we have grave concerns about the new license. The only thing we are forking is the license, we are not forking the tagging scheme or the community or even the objectives of OSM. Data loss is your problem not ours. I see people doing thought experiments about how they can get around the wishes of contributors who have, in good faith, provided their content under the CC license. Those people who have not agreed to the CT have not consented for their content to be used in any other way. You should respect that. A main objective of OSM was to create maps that were free enough to be used by everyone. Anything that steps across the line will taint OSM with the impurity that we strived for so long to avoid. There will forever be doubt about the provenance of OSM data. 80n
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