On Monday, October 21, 2013 10:32:40 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > "Edward K. Ream" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >
> The first words of the announcement [might] even say why Leo trumps Emacs > org mode and > > vimoutline mode... > > I'd be careful about making such assertions. For instance, Leo would have > a mighty long way to go to beat VimOutliner in speed of transferring > thoughts from mind to file. Org mode can design Docbook. Many outliners > have their niche. Some of what you say is true, perhaps all of it, but it's all pretty much beside the point. Leo *scripts* will be ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE FASTER than org mode or VimOutliner scripts (and 10-100 times easier to write), because Leo scripts work on true Python objects, created by Leo's read code, whereas org mode and VimOutliner work on text. Leo's read code produces highly-refined (20+ years in the making) Python objects (the position and vnode classes) by reading highly-refined (yes, 20+ years in the making) sentinels. The vim people seem to have a completely key-centric notion of speed. Here is a quote from http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3515: "What sets VimOutliner apart from the rest is that it's been constructed from the ground up for fast and easy authoring. Keystrokes are quick and easy, especially for someone knowing the Vim editor. The mouse is completely unnecessary (but is supported to the extent that Vim supports the mouse). Many of the VimOutliner commands start with a double comma because that's very quick to type." True, but has *nothing* to do with scripting speed. In fact, neither Emacs nor vim supports scriptable outlines in any meaningful way. It's all just text. I'll say a lot more about this in the Writers workshop thread. It's vital that this point be hammered home for newbies, in a way newbies can at least glimpse, if not fully appreciate. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
