interesting article, thanks for sharing it. I added a promo comment about
Leo.

I really enjoyed following the link to the tribute to Doug Engelbart by
Bret Victor (whose name has surfaced on this list a time or two before):
http://worrydream.com/Engelbart/ I especially like the concluding
paragraphs, paraphrased below, but to really appreciate please read the
whole article.

*The least important question you can ask about Engelbart is, "What did he
build?" By asking that question, you put yourself in a position to admire
him, to stand in awe of his achievements...The most important question you
can ask about Engelbart is, "What world was he trying to create?" By asking
that question, you put yourself in a position to create that world
yourself.*
>From this vantage I ponder what this means for my understanding of Leo, and
like how it refocuses my thoughts. A move to world creating and less tool
tinkering; stop modding the car in the garage and go some place! ;-)

-matt


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Edward K. Ream <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:43 PM, gatesphere <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.technologyreview.com/review/520246/as-we-may-type/
>>
>> Found this thumbing through this month's issue of MIT Technology Review.
>>  An interesting look at the new paradigms in editing, and the versatility
>> of outliners.  No mentions of Leo, but it certainly points towards
>> unlimited possibilities with the right tools. Thought this group might like
>> the read.
>>
>
> Thanks for the link.  Dave Winer created MORE, the outliner that gave Leo
> clones as well as its appearance (pixel for pixel).  He's a vip in the
> computer world.  His outliners are more mainstream than Leo is, which is
> commendable ;-)  Winer sold MORE to (iirc) Symantec for $10 million, which
> promptly killed it.  You can't make this stuff up...
>
> BTW, MORE, and the original versions of Leo implemented clones by creating
> copies of all cloned tree.  I know this because there is a characteristic
> (slow) speed that results.  In contrast, in Leo's present outline
> organization, inserting, deleting or moving *any* node is instantaneous, a
> matter of changing less than a dozen links (node references).
>
> Edward
>
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