Thanks for the Engelbart article, Matt! Fascinating read. I have to go
watch his demo soon... I have an idea kicking around in my brain for a
new way of leveraging hypertext -- perhaps I can draw inspiration (or
more likely, be shown up completely!) by Engelbart.
-->Jake
On 11/15/2013 9:18 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote:
interesting article, thanks for sharing it. I added a promo comment
about Leo.
I really enjoyed following the link to the tribute to Doug Engelbart
by Bret Victor (whose name has surfaced on this list a time or two
before): http://worrydream.com/Engelbart/ I especially like the
concluding paragraphs, paraphrased below, but to really appreciate
please read the whole article.
/The least important question you can ask about Engelbart is, "What
did he build?" By asking that question, you put yourself in a position
to admire him, to stand in awe of his achievements...The most
important question you can ask about Engelbart is, "What world was he
trying to create?" By asking that question, you put yourself in a
position to create that world yourself./
From this vantage I ponder what this means for my understanding of
Leo, and like how it refocuses my thoughts. A move to world creating
and less tool tinkering; stop modding the car in the garage and go
some place! ;-)
-matt
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Edward K. Ream <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:43 PM, gatesphere <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
http://www.technologyreview.com/review/520246/as-we-may-type/
Found this thumbing through this month's issue of MIT
Technology Review. An interesting look at the new paradigms
in editing, and the versatility of outliners. No mentions of
Leo, but it certainly points towards unlimited possibilities
with the right tools. Thought this group might like the read.
Thanks for the link. Dave Winer created MORE, the outliner that
gave Leo clones as well as its appearance (pixel for pixel). He's
a vip in the computer world. His outliners are more mainstream
than Leo is, which is commendable ;-) Winer sold MORE to (iirc)
Symantec for $10 million, which promptly killed it. You can't
make this stuff up...
BTW, MORE, and the original versions of Leo implemented clones by
creating copies of all cloned tree. I know this because there is
a characteristic (slow) speed that results. In contrast, in Leo's
present outline organization, inserting, deleting or moving *any*
node is instantaneous, a matter of changing less than a dozen
links (node references).
Edward
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