On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Dave Loyall <[email protected]>wrote:

> 
Could it be that org-mode isn't as clumsy as you think?

Of course it is possible: I'm frequently wrong on many topics.

Otoh, the video unintentionally shows just how clumsy org mode is.

This video could be called an analog to Leo's rst3 command.  Yes, it's
cute, but it has little or nothing to do about any of the points I've
raised.  The video show how to make documents *containing* code snippets;
it deals not at all with Leo's core features.  Otoh, I'd like to see
whether Leo can use a similar chain to in a convert-to-pdf add-on to the
rst3 command ;-)

To convince me that org mode has Leo's power, you have to show that it has
the equivalent of at least the following:

- Leo's generators: c.all_positions(), p.subtree(), etc.
- A concept of current position, p.
- p.insertAs..., p.doDelete, p.moveTo...
- p.b, p.h and p.u.
- @others and @file.

Does org mode provide *any* of the features listed above.  Not that I know
of.

Leo outlines are composed of true Python objects. Leo defines many
operations on those objects.  Does org mode preprocess text to make such
operations fast? If not, org mode operations will be orders of magnitude
slower.

Please consider this evidence: org-mode is easily hundreds of times more
> popular than Leo.
>

Not relevant.

Emacs has been around a lot longer, so you could say it has a huge
"captive" user base.

And heck, all these users actually put up with elisp ;-)

 It's also older, bigger, has more developers, and a more active mailing
> list.  There's also an IRC channel.  Do you really think that it would have
> such a dedicated community if it were 'clumsy'? :)
>

Yes I do.  It's a possibility for you to consider ;-)

Edward

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