Hi all, I've followed major Leo releases since Slashdot days of 2002. Fascinating tool continues to show great promise, which I hope to see fulfilled soon after flawless install and uninstall on all major platforms. My input from the sidelines:
I've spent some time trying to bring Leo's Wikipedia article up to Wikipedia's perhaps perplexing standards (for those who think Wikipedia a factual repository - it is, rather, a repository of verifiable claims from reliable secondary sources). Fully commented edits, click article history. I've added a few inline references to non-Leo, non-blog reliable secondary sources. That took some digging. There is still a lot of insider, overly technical factoids in that article that need to be independently sourced or ripped out, true or not. I'm hoping to add more good references after a truly well-engineered major release (5.0 or will it be 6.0?) might garner the attention of computer magazines - e,g,, Linux Journal, PC World, Linux Magazine, Linux Format, Full Circle, etc. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_magazines> The reason I simply can't find such reviews after all these years, I'll venture, is simply the installation snafu. Git over it, Edward - the rest of the world doesn't actually live in Leo. ;) Seriously. If I can't casually recommend just trying the program to a non-sysadmin new to Linux, how can a computer magazine reviewer? How can it be included in a magazine's DVD or download directory if a simple and trustworthy install/uninstall package isn't available? It is *very* important to get this done right. That includes uninstallers that leave not a trace. Personally, if I had spent 20 years on developing a million lines of code, I would seriously consider spending a couple hundred or thousand to get it debianized, or at least have amateur efforts reviewed by a Debian packaging pro. No disrespect to all working hard on it now, but get it tested and reviewed and *please* don't burn through another generation of wannabe users by making them your default testers. Not professional and many will say no thanks. Why waste a major number release? This is a great opportunity to slow down, absolutely stop all non-install development and testing, and get an automated package package build process done right once and for all. Everything else can wait in a branch, if Edward can be convinced to stop working in trunk.;) A robust, tested, cross-platform Leo installer package system, scripted and tested in Leo, would be an awesome proof of the Leonine concept and newsworthy in itself. And it would be a great exercise in mastering how to test installation packages in Linux, Windows, and Mac besides! Virtual machines are readily available and in far greater supply than wannabe users of Leo. Respectfully, Paul P.S. I added the licensing info to get the Leo icon on Wikimedia Commons, so it's out there and now on the Wikipedia page. Thinking through the best way way to present a single 5.0 version screenshot showing the most distinctive layman's feature, an outline with cloned nodes, in a non-programming context that is meaningful to all likely to be interested in trying it out for a quick spin. Suggestions welcome, esp. pointers to exemplars, but I'll be doing this one myself to avoid becoming infected with what otherwise might be justified Wikipedia conflict of interest concerns. Ahem, indeed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
