Hi,
On 22/03/17 07:38, Edward K. Ream wrote:
Great link. The further links on that page are also excellent.
FromOHS (Open Hyperdocument System)
<http://www.dougengelbart.org/about/ohs.html>:
>The baseline requirements which Doug Engelbart outlined as a
starting point for OHS are still /largely missing/ from today's
information technology.
> For example, at the top of his list has remained the ability to link
directly to any point in any file. This feature is absolutely
essential to enable fine-grained browsing, sharing, connecting the
dots, interacting with and editing the contents. Some video platforms
such as YouTube have recently added the ability to right click at any
point in a video to Copy Link/to this point in the video/. This is a
great improvement, but an adhoc approach. The vast majority of our
knowledgesphere, including and especially the world wide web which
made /hyperlinking/ a household word, has not offered a reliable and
consistent way to identify, link to, jump to or otherwise address a
specific phrase or paragraph, section or multi-media object within a
file.
Leo certainly should
support this more gracefully.
Thanks for the OHS link and the quote. Outlining has a lot of potential
that goes beyond what we have today (even in Jupyter). Integrated
editable views (Quiver, Jupyter, classical hypertext) can be part of
the outlining experience, without reducing it to what we have now. In my
search for self-referential programmable interactive literate computing
I will try to provide Grafoscopio with dedicated editors according to
two types of content: markup/text and Pharo code, as part of this Summer
of Code developments. In that sense it will become more similar to
Quiver and Jupyter, with their dedicated cell editors while preserving
outlining ideas. I imagine that Leo could provide something similar,
even with the integrated view.
[2] https://vimeo.com/81238285
There are some very cool features in this video. Englebart was way
way ahead of its time.
The various links, including transclusions, are nifty. Org mode has
text filters, but this is a programming concept, not a UI feature.
Recent work gives Leo cross-file links inside other .leo files.
[...]
Anyway, there is a lot to think about in this video. I recommend to
all Leo devs.
Yes. I remember the Alan Kay phrase about computing science as a "pop
culture" that was not interested in their past. There is a lot of
important dormant ideas that we can explore and learn from.
[3] https://github.com/bolerio/seco <https://github.com/bolerio/seco>
The good part seems to be the Comparison between
Beaker/IPython/Jupyter
<https://github.com/bolerio/seco#comparison-with-beakeripythonjupyter>.
I can't recommend the Mathematica UI.
Yes. Totally agree. Outlining has a much better interface that cell
embedding (ala Mathematica) and integrated editable view can be a way to
get such interfaces.
Many thanks for these links.
If you can hop on an a plane to Madison Wisconsin, we could drive up
to Ashland Wisconsin for the sprint ;-)
You're welcome. It would be a long trip from Colombia, and I can not
make any other one unless I finish to write my thesis. But thanks for
the invitation. I hope to be in one of such future sprints :-).
Cheers,
Offray
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