On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
Thank you, Thomas and Edward, for your inputs and examples. As a Leo user (and occasional dev/contributor) over the last 12 years and change, removing the ‘Easter egg’ menus feels like the largest regression I’ve seen Leo go through. Needing to write custom commands and scripts to do now what used to take about three clicks before is just unfortunate. I don’t know how to satisfy both the needs of devs and the needs of users in this instance. It just feels a bit sad that the UI lost in this particular fight. And I don’t think that a bevy of new commands is the right way to go about it moving forward, either — many users never ever interact with the minibuffer. I certainly don’t use it if I can help it. And Leo is my Everything Program for over a decade now. I will script up the things I need to get the work done that I need to do, but in all honesty this is a huge loss for those who aren’t programmers and used to be among the users Leo welcomed more thoroughly. It feels a little bit like every passing version removes more and more user-facing features, and alienates non-programming folks even further. Sorry to complain, just airing my $0.02 (worth even less now with inflation). I was unhappy too or at least concerned when Edward brought up changing the splitter interface. But unlike you, I always had trouble using it, or even knowing what the various context menu items would do. And when I got a configuration I liked, it was hard for me to reproduce. I was constantly irritated and tried to avoid using the splitter menu. It also made programming various things in plugins tricky at best. The new interface is much better, I think, at least for programmers. I certainly agree with you about having built-in commands that are easy to use to replace some of the splitter menu commands. Ordinary users shouldn't have to write scripts to do basic configuration. OTOH, just what are those configuration things that people want to do? It's a little hard to know until they speak up. I don't know about Edward, but I hope we can learn what people want the most and start to build them in. And, as always, it's hard to figure out how to let people find out how to do things they want. Suggestions greatly welcomed! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/leo-editor/add5bed1-e9dc-49fb-a2f5-e522450cbe2bn%40googlegroups.com.
