Hi Thomas
    yeah, your suggestion is kinda where I am heading. maybe I will try tu 
use pip in a non-venv environment to tidy things up, instead of just 
deleting.

My slight concern is whether I have other programs that depend on these. We 
shall see ... I can think of one but I know that running that in a venv is 
a known workflow (famous last words), so hopefullt that will not cause me 
other grief

    J^n

On Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 12:22:15 PM UTC [email protected] wrote:

> I'm no venv expert, that's for sure.  I *think*  that packages installed 
> into a venv can be symlinked from the non-venv installation if they are the 
> same version.  Better try to check that, though.  It sounds like that 
> what's happening in your case.  It didn't seem to in mine.  All a mystery.
>
> If it were my system, I would delete all the Qt* files in the non-venv 
> install, clean out the entire venv, and run pip -r requirements.txt in the 
> venv. As long as you get rid of all the qt* files and folders including the 
> dist* ones, you will get all new files.  If they still didn't work, I would 
> repeat the cleanup and install a lower version of PyQt and the 
> WebEngineView.
>
> On Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 2:40:40 AM UTC-5 jkn wrote:
>
>>
>> This is turning into a venv thread rather than anything else, but 
>> anyway...
>>
>> - FWIW I have successfully installed Leo (and VR3 etc.) on two Linux 
>> machines via venv.
>> - on my problematic Windows machine, in a venv, how come all the 
>> installed requirements seem to be *not* in the venv? I was expecting them 
>> to under <venv>\Lib\site-packages, or similar.
>>
>> but if I (re-)run
>>
>> <venv>\leo-editor>  python3 - m pip install -r requirements.txt
>>
>> then I get a long list of requirements (including PyQt6 ones) already 
>> satisfied ... in a location <user>\appdata\local\...
>>
>> J^n
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 2:16:37 PM UTC [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Freewin falls back to using a QTextBrowser if a QWebEngineView isn't 
>>> present.  That only affects the rendered view, not the editor view. The 
>>> QTextBrowser's rendering is limited compared with the QWebEngineView but 
>>> that won't really matter for most nodes.
>>>
>>> I have removed all the PyQt* files from site-packages and re-installed.  
>>> When you remove all those *dist* files, pip doesn't know that the 
>>> package had ever been installed.
>>>
>>> I wonder if a revised WebEngine package got into PyPi recently and it's 
>>> accidentally missing the DLL. A downgrade might work in that case.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 8:49:58 AM UTC-5 jkn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Thomas - yes, all good suggestions. I have these and/or similar on 
>>>> my list to check when I have a few minutes. I did look for the .dll 
>>>> yesterday but didn't note down the results
>>>>
>>>> I am not desperate enough to use VR3 to try your option (3), I really 
>>>> just want to have VR3 there in my 'cutting-edge' ;-: Leo to try a few 
>>>> experiments.
>>>>
>>>> I will update in a bit
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, J^n
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 1:10:22 PM UTC [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That seems like just what I did.  You might look at the Qt files in 
>>>>> Python's Lib\site-packages in the venv and see if they are symlinked to 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> files in the main (non-vm) install. I don't know when files in a new VM 
>>>>> get 
>>>>> symlinked and when they don't.  If they are symlinked then I only have 
>>>>> three ideas left:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Delete all Qt files yourself and re-install their packages one by 
>>>>> one with pip;
>>>>> 2. Downgrade PyQt and the WebEngineView to an earlier version.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they are not symlinked I would say to do the same but inside the 
>>>>> venv's site-package directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. One more possibility would be to delete everything in the venv and 
>>>>> re-create it (or make a new one) and to pip-install leo 6.8.1.  This 
>>>>> version of Leo may (and probably will) run.  Then just use that venv to 
>>>>> run 
>>>>> your Leo clone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe #3 should be the first thing to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, yes, can you search for that DLL by name to see if it's actually 
>>>>> present on the computer?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 7:49:42 AM UTC-5 jkn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm - I think I have just done what you suggest above and get the 
>>>>>> same error as before. ie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - create a virtual environment
>>>>>> - activate it
>>>>>> - git clone leo...
>>>>>> - cd leo-editor
>>>>>> - python3 -m pip -r requirements.txt
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> - python3 launchleo.py
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and (if VR3 is enabled) I get the same error as before (NB: not sure 
>>>>>> it is exactly what you were reporting):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>>>>> - 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 7:14:10 PM UTC [email protected] 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After a kernel update on my Linux Mint VM just now, I got the same 
>>>>>>> error - no PyQt6-WebEngine.  Upgrading the PyQt6-x packages didn't fix 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> error.  I installed using requirements.txt into a venv and running in 
>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>> venv VR3 finds the QWebEngine and runs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 6:51:53 AM UTC-5 jkn wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmm, slightly separate point, but now I am trying to replicate 
>>>>>>>> things (enabling viewrendered3) on my Windows machine...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am getting a Windows Error popup: ... Qt6WebEngineCore.dll was 
>>>>>>>> not found...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leo itself doesn't have an error from vr3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've tried to install/re-install a few things via pip, but no 
>>>>>>>> success. Any pointers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, jon N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 2:44:50 AM UTC [email protected] 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 5:55:10 PM UTC-5 jkn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway - after putting 'freewin.py' in myLeoSettings.leo (and 
>>>>>>>>> installing QtWebEngineView for PyQt6 - interestingly VR3 does not 
>>>>>>>>> seem to 
>>>>>>>>> give a warning if this is not installed) - I seem to be making 
>>>>>>>>> progress, 
>>>>>>>>> both with VR3 and with Freewin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Freewin will fall back to using a QTextBrowser for the rendered 
>>>>>>>>> view if QWebEngineView isn't installed, and it should emit a message 
>>>>>>>>> about 
>>>>>>>>> that.  VR3 can't work without a QWebEngineView, and it's supposed to 
>>>>>>>>> emit a 
>>>>>>>>> message about a missing QWebEngineView .  Maybe some recent change 
>>>>>>>>> has 
>>>>>>>>> stepped on the message, but I don't recall any changes in that part 
>>>>>>>>> of the 
>>>>>>>>> code.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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