marimo looks pretty cool! and a breath of fresh air in the
overcomplicated notebook space that Jupyter popularized. Once a
tool(kit) like Jupyter becomes the defacto standard in a community
(let's say data scientists) it is difficult to reimagine what can be
done in that space. That's why seeing things like Pluto.jl[1] (named in
the inspirations for marimo) that choose simplicity and reproducible
flat files over nested unreproducible JSON, as a default for interactive
computing is really inspiring.
[1] https://cinemaphile.com/watch?v=Rg3r3gG4nQo
In my case, after being pretty reluctant to web development (mainly
because of Javascript and all the messiness behind web "standards" by
committee ), seems that things like Pluto, marimo and Hypermedia
systems[2][2a] are showing that the time to develop pretty interesting
web experiences and publications without all that incidental complexity
and without the JavaScript monoculture is finally arriving. I'll share
my experiment on that front.
[2] https://hypermedia.systems/
[2a] https://hx-pod.transistor.fm
Cheers,
Offray
On 13/12/24 18:45, John Clark wrote:
All interested in interactive notebooks,
Please also consider marimo if it's unknown to you.
https://marimo.io/
It's claim of being "the future of python notebooks" is not far off
the mark, IMO. It is an evolutionary step beyond Jupyter in my estimation.
Interestingly, the necessity for marimo to process cells internally in
a tree-like manner similar to Leo is an integral part of what makes it
work.
Cheers
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 2:57:12 AM UTC+11 [email protected]
wrote:
In the same vein as Thomas, I was pushing Leo as an interactive
notebook metasystem since years.
I think that those aha moment would be greatly improved by
screenshots particularly depicting the interactive story behind
Leo usage in the scientific notebook context as still is not
represented in a way that showcases Leo's advantages. I would say
that LeoVue is something to imitate regarding how to showcase Leo
(maybe because of its multiple and versatile web views for Leo
structured information).
Cheers,
Offray
On 13/12/24 8:58, Thomas Passin wrote:
I've been trying to sell Leo-as-a-notebook for some time now. I
glad to see you are starting to get the idea at last! Remember,
with VR3 you can render an entire tree starting with the current
node; by locking the view you can navigate to and edit a node
without having the rendered view jump out from under you.
Jupyter has many strengths and capabilities that I don't see Leo
ever getting. Perhaps they aren't needed for your use.
On Friday, December 13, 2024 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5 Edward K. Ream
wrote:
The conversion script shows the power of Leo's scripting API.
Here are the lines that clean newly imported files:
def is_pure_python(p) -> bool:
return not any(
line.startswith('# %% [markdown]')
for p2 in p.self_and_subtree()
for line in g.splitLines(p2.b)
)
...
# Delete the useless Jupyter boilerplate.
for child in p.children():
if child.h == g.angleBrackets(' prefix '):
child.doDelete()
break
p.b = p.b.replace(g.angleBrackets(' prefix ') + '\n', '')
if is_pure_python(p):
# Change the language and remove all jupytext comments.
p.b = p.b.replace('@language jupytext', '@language python')
for child in p.children():
child.b = child.b.replace('# %%\n\n', '').replace('#
%%\n', '')
Disable these lines to retain two-way compatibility with
Jupyter Notebooks.
Onward to studying math!
Edward
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