Thomas,
I'm glad you liked :).
You should take a look of the Hypermedia podcast, particularly the long
recent chapter about Data-Star[1]. I think it gives you a pretty broad
overview of the possibilities of Hypermedia beyond its flagship tech: HTMX
[1] https://data-star.dev/
I really like the moment we are arriving now, where web development,
particularly in the front-end, doesn't mean to subsume yourself totally
to the "Javascript mindset" with all its technical design flaws, patchy
features, gratuitous overcomplexity and so on. I imagine instead that
now I'll doing web stuff, that I was thinking years ago, from my
favorite computing environment: Pharo/GToolkit, with sparks of
Javascript here and there, without making it or the web a "development
platform" and thinking about the web more like a "exportation target".
My idea for this holidays, is to use hypermedia for creating an
interactive publishing format for the data stories we have made with
Grafoscopio and see if, eventually, it can evolve to a (reactive) web
notebook, working on several Smalltalk variants (but baby steps, I'll
jus start with the interactive publishing format). As usual, I'll share
preliminary results, when I see there is an overlap with the topics
discussed here.
Cheers,
Offray
On 15/12/24 12:15, Thomas Passin wrote:
Thank you for the links! I'm just getting into reading the hypermedia
book and already I can see that it's right up my alley. I stopped
working with web frameworks when they got so complex and
programming-oriented. I'm repelled by many modern javascript
practices. As I started reading the book it felt like I had finally
met a kindred spirit.
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 10:37:02 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:
marimo looks pretty cool! and a breath of fresh air in the
overcomplicated notebook space that Jupyter popularized. Once a
tool(kit) like Jupyter becomes the defacto standard in a community
(let's say data scientists) it is difficult to reimagine what can
be done in that space. That's why seeing things like Pluto.jl[1]
(named in the inspirations for marimo) that choose simplicity and
reproducible flat files over nested unreproducible JSON, as a
default for interactive computing is really inspiring.
[1] https://cinemaphile.com/watch?v=Rg3r3gG4nQo
In my case, after being pretty reluctant to web development
(mainly because of Javascript and all the messiness behind web
"standards" by committee ), seems that things like Pluto, marimo
and Hypermedia systems[2][2a] are showing that the time to develop
pretty interesting web experiences and publications without all
that incidental complexity and without the JavaScript monoculture
is finally arriving. I'll share my experiment on that front.
[2] https://hypermedia.systems/
[2a] https://hx-pod.transistor.fm
Cheers,
Offray
On 13/12/24 18:45, John Clark wrote:
All interested in interactive notebooks,
Please also consider marimo if it's unknown to you.
https://marimo.io/
It's claim of being "the future of python notebooks" is not far
off the mark, IMO. It is an evolutionary step beyond Jupyter in
my estimation.
Interestingly, the necessity for marimo to process cells
internally in a tree-like manner similar to Leo is an integral
part of what makes it work.
Cheers
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 2:57:12 AM UTC+11
[email protected] wrote:
In the same vein as Thomas, I was pushing Leo as an
interactive notebook metasystem since years.
I think that those aha moment would be greatly improved by
screenshots particularly depicting the interactive story
behind Leo usage in the scientific notebook context as still
is not represented in a way that showcases Leo's advantages.
I would say that LeoVue is something to imitate regarding how
to showcase Leo (maybe because of its multiple and versatile
web views for Leo structured information).
Cheers,
Offray
On 13/12/24 8:58, Thomas Passin wrote:
I've been trying to sell Leo-as-a-notebook for some time
now. I glad to see you are starting to get the idea at
last! Remember, with VR3 you can render an entire tree
starting with the current node; by locking the view you can
navigate to and edit a node without having the rendered view
jump out from under you.
Jupyter has many strengths and capabilities that I don't see
Leo ever getting. Perhaps they aren't needed for your use.
On Friday, December 13, 2024 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5 Edward K.
Ream wrote:
The conversion script shows the power of Leo's scripting
API. Here are the lines that clean newly imported files:
def is_pure_python(p) -> bool:
return not any(
line.startswith('# %% [markdown]')
for p2 in p.self_and_subtree()
for line in g.splitLines(p2.b)
)
...
# Delete the useless Jupyter boilerplate.
for child in p.children():
if child.h == g.angleBrackets(' prefix '):
child.doDelete()
break
p.b = p.b.replace(g.angleBrackets(' prefix ') + '\n', '')
if is_pure_python(p):
# Change the language and remove all jupytext comments.
p.b = p.b.replace('@language jupytext', '@language
python')
for child in p.children():
child.b = child.b.replace('# %%\n\n',
'').replace('# %%\n', '')
Disable these lines to retain two-way compatibility with
Jupyter Notebooks.
Onward to studying math!
Edward
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