Just my two cents on my position about all this "agentic programming
fashionware", I don't want to delegate big parts of my understanding of
complex systems, including software, to non-deterministic systems that
"hallucinate" in non detectable ways. I try to confine the stuff I don't
understand about the software artifacts I build to small parts, where I
ask specific questions to the AI (or Apparent Intelligence, as I like to
call it) and do small commits.
I keep my tokens usage small, use anonymous AI systems like duck.ai or
Lumo, that don't use my data for training and I think that in all that
rush of AI, seems a minimalist approach with little compromise.
I doubtful and worried of a grandiloquent visions with a
unique convergent future for diverse people and worldviews, particularly
when it comes from tech bros. Unfortunately "agentic programming" seems
one of such visions.
Cheers,
Offray
On 26/04/26 21:26, Thomas Passin wrote:
I knew about Cyc, of course. I didn't keep up with it but it didn't
seem to go anywhere. The quotations from Lenat seem quite apt to me.
On Sunday, April 26, 2026 at 1:44:27 PM UTC-4 David Szent-Györgyi wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2026 at 10:19:49 AM UTC-4 [email protected]
wrote:
Thanks for posting about Eurisko. It seems to have passed me
by at the time. Fascinating!
I read today that Lenat's follow-on to Eurisko is Cyc, which is
described in an article on Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc>. It represents knowledge using
the formal language CycL <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CycL>.
Lenat died in 2023, the articles on Cyc and on Lenat have nothing
to say about the future of Cyc.
Lenat lived long enough to see the beginnings of the current day
advance of machine learning in the corporate sphere and public
life. Two quotations mentioned in the Wikipeda article on him
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Lenat> seem worth
remembering in light of that advance:
“If computers were human, they’d present themselves as autistic,
schizophrenic, or otherwise brittle. It would be unwise or
dangerous for that person to take care of children and cook meals,
but it’s on the horizon for home robots. That’s like saying, ‘We
have an important job to do, but we’re going to hire dogs and cats
to do it.'.'”
- from 2014 <https://www.businessinsider.com/cycorp-ai-2014-7>
"Sometimes the /veneer/ of intelligence is not enough."
- from 2017
<https://cognitiveworld.com/article/sometimes-veneer-intelligence-not-enough>
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