What's "Tiny X" ? (URL ?)
Do toolkits need to change to support Tiny X as well as X ?
Same questions for Nano-X.
I understand the need for i18n (I don't think it is memory intensive,
so I don't see a problem there). Are copy/paste and drag-and-drop
requirements ?
Danny
Mark Hatch wrote:
>
> Danny,
>
> I'm thinking of two application areas:
>
> a) PDA's (iPAQ, etc.) running Linux
> b) Appliances that need remote control and monitoring (the monitoring is
> important since html is by nature a pull). This would include printers,
> medical devices/displays, industrial controls, etc.
>
> The PDA's tend to be small screen, single window open at a time. (Reminds
> me of the old Mac's before multifinder, but that is dating me...)
>
> The Appliances have more information to project and control, and can take
> advantage of large screen displays.
>
> These applications all seem to have very simple user interfaces with some
> dialog boxes popping up from time to time to handle warnings/exceptions.
> I18N is probably required. I suspect that a slimmer lesstif would sit on
> top of Kieth Packards Tiny X.
>
> Not sure if that is enough info... I've heard rumors that the GDK folks are
> porting GTK+ on top of Nano-X. That might further reduce their footprint.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> At 08:21 AM 10/30/2000 +0100, Danny Backx wrote:
> >Mark,
> >
> >What would you expect a light weight / embedded LessTif to do,
> >or rather, what can it lack as a tradeoff against weight ?
> >
> > Danny
> >
> >Mark Hatch wrote :
> > > Just came back from a conference where one of the Metro Link folks (Stuart
> > > Anderson) pointed out that Motif (2.1.30) was as light as GTK and QT
> > (the X
> > > version, not embedded). The only GUI toolkit with a significantly lighter
> > > footprint was fltk. (See table below for some of the data presented.) It
> > > was explained that fltk was because creating a single Motif widget might
> > > result in several additional widgets being linked into the application.
> >
> > >"Hello World"
> > >
> > >Toolkit RAM File Size
> > >Motif 1584KB 1582KB
> > >Gnome 1536KB 2922KB
> > >KDE 1824KB 2668KB
> > >Fltk 728KB 563KB
> > >Athena 960KB 1027KB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/27/2000 10:26:00 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Internet
> >cc: (bcc: Danny Backx/U27113/KB/KredAlm)
> >Subject: lesstif for embedded?
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Just came back from a conference where one of the Metro Link folks (Stuart
> >Anderson) pointed out that Motif (2.1.30) was as light as GTK and QT (the X
> >version, not embedded). The only GUI toolkit with a significantly lighter
> >footprint was fltk. (See table below for some of the data presented.) It
> >was explained that fltk was because creating a single Motif widget might
> >result in several additional widgets being linked into the application.
> >
> >We've looked at the Motif source code, and it is a basic architectural
> >decision that would require a full rewrite to reverse. I haven't looked at
> >the lesstif source, but maybe the lesstif team made a different design
> >decision?
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >Comparative Size of Desktops
> >
> >Desktop RAM File Size
> >Motif 5780KB 30mb
> >Gnome 13896KB 95mb
> >KDE 10924KB 96mb
> >Minimal 4584KB 16mb
> >
> >Minimal = Typical X server, twm, xterm, clock
> >
> >
> >"Hello World"
> >
> >Toolkit RAM File Size
> >Motif 1584KB 1582KB
> >Gnome 1536KB 2922KB
> >KDE 1824KB 2668KB
> >Fltk 728KB 563KB
> >Athena 960KB 1027KB
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
>
> -
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>
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>
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