On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:46:48AM +0000, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > 
> Eventually, I found a make bug report : /dev/pts needs to be mounted
> (well, duh!) with an upstream commit.  I'm sure you will remember
> that my bind mounts did not work [ after user ken had su'd to user
> lfs for chapter 5, and then su'd ] - that looks as if su in fedora
> has been hacked in some way, but I assumed that binding /dev, /proc/
> and /sys [ by user ken who had su'd to root ] would suffice - I
> forgot about mounting /dev/pts (and anyway, I sort of thought it
> would be there from the bind.
> 
> So this time, when I get to chroot I will attempt to check that
> /dev/pts is mounted.
> 
> That might well explain my failures (I'm using -j8, the bug was re
> make without any arguments), or it might not.
> 
> I'm going to try building gdb and strace in chapter 5, and trying to
> turn on core dumps (unlimited ulimit, apparently).
> 
> None of that really explains all of the problems that Bruce and
> Pierre saw, so perhaps I will still be wasting my time.  The odd
> thing is that I'm finding 'dnf' much less unpleasant than rpm or the
> apt menagery - but that might just be because I haven't yet tried to
> do anything interesting in dnf.
> 
Well, I'm bemused - I haven't attempted to boot this yet (I'm still
building the BLFS packages I build before booting) but it sailed
through chapter 6 (only running tests on toolchain packages, and I
have not looked at the test results for the moment).

So, for me there seem to be two things to remember when building
from fedora:

1. 'su' might not work as expected - when user ken uses 'su', root
can mount /mnt/lfs and bind /dev etc.  But when user ken su's to
user lfs and then su's, that session can chroot (so, that implies it
really is root), but attempts to mount --bind and mount -vt on the
way in to chroot fail.

2. It might be necessary to turn selinux to off.  Not sure, but (I
come from a kernel-tester and occasionally a kernel-hacker
background) disabling selinux on a development system is a good
idea - ask linus!

Thanks to all who have responded, and particularly to Bruce and
Pierre for the pain I have given you in testing this.  And I have no
idea why your systems became broken :-(

Summary: fedora 23 *can* be used to build LFS - but for many people
it will not be the easiest host to use [ but on the other hand, it
uses kbd rather than console-tools, so it will let users find their
preferred console keymap and font (if any) before they try LFS.

ĸen
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