On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 01:59:47PM -0700, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> On 1/1/2020 11:08 AM, Flareon Zulu wrote:
> >
> > That's asking for "monkey see monkey do," and frankly, you should be
> > able to figure it out from the man page. At this point, if you can't do
> > that, I will officially lose all hope for Linux.
> >
> > Flareon
> >
> Just as I thought, you can't do what you're demanding of me.
>
> You ought to remember that the purpose of LFS is to educate -- especially to
> educate newbies in the ways of Linux. So when newbies ask what experts might
> think of as "dumb questions", they're usually not doing it for any reason
> other than they need help in understanding what is written.
>
I have one problem with that paragraph - the use of 'newbies'. It
can mean many different things. In the sense of "used to using
linux, has built some packages from source, now wants to build LFS"
it is fine. But I somehow get the impression that you might not yet
be at that stage.
I am aware that people new to linux have followed the book and
succeeded. But that is a very painful approach if things go wrong.
> As for "monkey-see-monkey-do", that's a perfectly valid way of learning, as
> the U.S. military uses it. First, recruits learn by aping what they see.
> Then they get some theoretical education, usually with written material.
>
No, the "monkey see, monkey do" approach in the LFS context means "I
can paste the instructions in the book, and if I'm lucky everything
will work.
The real learning comes from (amongst other things) the following
variations:
· Something went wrong (typically, a typo in one package, or one
missed package) and finding out how to debug what went wrong (e.g.
looking at the output of configure scripts).
· Thinking about what the book says, and on a second build trying a
variation to see how it affects the result.
· Learning to script (more pedantically, learning how one's own
scripts will fail).
> Remember that I specifically said that I want more than
> "monkey-see-monkey-do" -- I want real understanding.
>
And that is what we aim to support. But nobody can keep up to date
with _all_ the details across new packages.
ĸen
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