On 2020-01-05 09:41 -0700, Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > On 1/5/2020 5:52 AM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > > On 1/4/20, Alan Feuerbacher <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 1/4/2020 12:49 PM, Xi Ruoyao wrote: > > > > On 2020-01-04 10:21 -0700，Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > > > > > I've run into a problem in building Version 20200101-systemd Section > > > > > 6.9. Glibc-2.30. > > > > > > > > > > After several repetitions of compiling, I've found that if I run > > > > > "make check", the various localedef invocations that follow, like > > > > > "localedef -i cs_CZ -f UTF-8 cs_CZ.UTF-8", sometimes fail with a > > > > > message > > > > > like > > > > > "cannot create temporary file: /tools/lib/locale/locale- > > > > > archive.J6uC5g: > > > > > No such file or directory". > > > > > However, if I skip "make check", all of the "localedef" commands > > > > > run ok. > > > > That's abnormal. NEVER continue blindly with this kind of phenomena. > > > > That may > > > > be a bomb and may blow up your entire system. > > > Can you please expand on what I did wrong? I don't really understand > > > what you mean by "continue blindly". > > While you're waiting for the reply, my brain's interpretation is that > > it is a well-meaning version of "STOP! DO NOT PASS *GO*! DO NOT > > COLLECT $200!" In a good way, I mean... :) > > Ok, I understand. > > This brings up another issue: when should someone playing with LFS try > to figure the problem out for herself, as opposed to contacting this > list? I usually do the former as far as I know how, until I get stuck. > Sometimes I don't know enough to say "I'm stuck." > > This reminds me of the skit on Saturday Night Live from 20+ years ago > where Jimmy Fallon played "Nick Burns the Computer Guy" ( > https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/nick-burns-your-companys-computer-guy/n11524 > > ). Anyone who's worked in a corporate environment recognizes the > character -- testy and always complaining about getting calls from other > employees to do his job -- help solve their computer problems. In real > life it's not so funny. > > Thank goodness that most of the people replying to this lfs-support list > are not like the SNL guy. They're generally helpful and kind, even to > people like me who sometimes have brain glitches and ask 'stupid' > questions. > > > Their advisement further a little bit sounds like whatever's going on > > in the error maybe could potentially affect your ENTIRE system > > *including your very important, very necessary HOST operating system*. > > That would be a reason for advising that everything come to a complete > > stop until you can figure out what's going on. > > > > This is phenomenally coincidental to something I JUST seconds ago > > typed over at Debian-User. Why they might say STOP NOW, DON'T TOUCH > > *ANYTHING* until we figure this out is because maybe the error's > > trying to say that something may be accidentally linked directly into > > your *HOST* system, not the practice play session. > > > > If that is in any way the case, if you were to do something like start > > deleting everything in your play session, it's possible that... > > maybe... a "hard link" is pointing at your HOST session. If that is > > what's going on AND you were to start deleting your PLAY session to go > > back to Chapter 1 or something, that accidentally created wrong *hard > > link* WILL delete your *HOST* system files. > > Boy does that ring true! Due to various other commitments I hadn't > turned on my Fedora host system for more than a year. So when I decided > to start playing with LFS again a couple of weeks ago, and turned the > system on, Fedora want to update to version 31. I let it rip, and > something went terribly wrong. After turning off power the system > wouldn't boot, so I knew I had to reinstall Fedora. Now, the hard drive > containing the crashed Fedora contains many files that need to be saved, > so I moved the disk to slot three, installed a new disk in slot one, and > installed Fedora to the new disk. Then I mounted the crashed disk and > recovered the files. I had to do all this because, for unknown reasons, > trying to reinstall Fedora on the messed up disk would not allow me to > retain parts of the filesystem such as /home-- the upgrade insisted on > reformatting the entire disk. > > After jumping through those hoops I resumed trying to install LFS on > disk number two. After going through the process several times and > messing up several times, I got solidly stuck and decided to remove some > directories on the LFS disk, but I seem to have suffered an extreme > brain glitch and removed several critical directories on the Fedora > disk, like /boot and /usr. This was late at night, after a long day. Of > course, Fedora quit working and I had to reinstall it all over again. I > learned some valuable lessons. > > > I'm speaking firsthand from having created exactly that situation > > during my earliest Debian debootstrap efforts. Actually, I got a HARSH > > reminder AGAIN in later debootstraps when I deleted a "mount -B link > > that was pointed at thousands of package archive files. > > What does "debootstrap" mean? > > I looked at the man page for mount -- it's almost 1600 pages! > > > I used to "soft link" a symlink to those same package archive files > > until debootstrap failed for that very reason so I learned to go the > > "mount --bind" route. THEN I learned the very hard way that you can > > harmlessly delete a "soft link" but a mounted "mount -B" link will > > wipe out that hard link AND the directory it's feeding from.... > I don't know enough about links and mounts to understand all this. > > Heartbreaking doesn't begin to cover learning something like that by > > being the one who did it firsthand..... A healthy, ACTIVE backup > > system is a User's best friend in these cases..... > > > > Cindy :) > > What do you use for backup on Linux? For many years, on my Windows > computer, I've had two extra backup disks installed, and use Acronis to > do incremental backups to one of those disks every day. Every couple of > weeks I switch the backup to the other disk, so I have some redundancy.
I have two (B)LFS builds and one Arch installation on my system. If one of them fails I can continue my work using the others, and chroot into the broken system to fix it. My /home is shared among the three systems. Some critical files are storaged on my personal Git server or in my USB HDD. Back in 2017, my bachelor thesis would be deleted because of my wrong "rm" command, if I didn't press Ctrl+C quickly. Then I began to use Git to control all my articles and software projects, and push the Git repos onto my personal server, or GitHub. If someone is familier with devmapper or ZFS, they can be used for mirroring. But I have no time to set up an initramfs for them so I just use the easy way. Maybe I'll use RAID-1 when I get enough money to buy a new workstation... -- Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]> School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Do not top post on this list. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
