Wow, that is the second posting from you Shava that was a wow moment in this discussion.

So many great thoughts from so many today!

It really does seem that ethics are often sacrificed in the presence of the influence* of power AND/OR greed regardless of the source (government, corporate, religious).

*influence -- how many times have we seen greedy government officials give over slowly but surely to corporate interests in the presence of corporate lobbyists/influence whether in thought and/or through their own greed.

Or what about citizens themselves who think that 'for the good of the whole' we all must have limited freedoms. By whose standards?

If one steps back far enough, you can see a bigger and bigger picture and then they might realize the short sighted 'good intentions' are just as damaging or more so to true freedom than anything greed and/or power directly could have have accomplished on their own.

So many angles...So many sides...

And all the sides and angles have valid points...



On 5/10/12 3:00 PM, Shava Nerad wrote:

My personal belief is that human ethics has it's own Dunbar number.  Regardless 
of the political, religious, ethical, moral or whatever system - including the 
vaunted enlightened self interest of capitalism, which tends to break down due 
to the individual incapacity for systems thinking (or as a leader, projecting 
the vision of that system to others) the center can not hold, and it does not 
scale - because we do not have better people.

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