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> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Forbes recommends tools for journalists
> From: <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, December 17, 2012 6:06 pm
> To: "liberationtech" <[email protected]>, "Danny
> O'Brien" <[email protected]>
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> Appreciate the feedback, guys.
> 
> 
> We'll check out, MAT.boum.org, Oli. And we'll look at turning off geo-tagging 
> and ObsuraCam app, too, Nathan. Brian and Michael, appreciate your input, too.
> 
> 
> And Danny, apart from your suggestions on full disk encryption and other 
> points which are well taken, we also very much understand the importance of 
> stressing concepts, giving people of sense of threats and options, and 
> underscoring the importance of staying informed about changes including 
> vulnerabilities and updates. In fact, we are avoiding the firehouse training 
> approach, and instead developing four-week classes, in order to make sure 
> that everyone gets concepts instead of just learning tools. The idea is to 
> give people a foundation so they can then take responsibility and make 
> informed choices for their own digital safety. Or so they can trust their own 
> instincts, as I have heard you say.
> 
> 
> Thanks! Frank
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>   -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Forbes recommends tools for journalists
>  From: Michael Rogers <[email protected]>
>  Date: Mon, December 17, 2012 4:42 pm
>  To: Danny O'Brien <[email protected]>, liberationtech
>  <[email protected]>
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>  On 17/12/12 20:12, Danny O'Brien wrote:
>  > I think these days you have to tie Forbes' (good) advice not to
>  > save everything with an encouragement to use full disk encryption.
>  > We're in an awkward space right now where we can't fully guarantee
>  > that data gets deleted off a modern flash (SSD) drive, even with
>  > previously strong deletion tools. And forensics software is good
>  > enough to pick up a lot of local clues about what you've used your
>  > own computer for, even if you think you've turned off all logs and
>  > removed the saving of sensitive data. Minimize what you record, but
>  > also encrypt.
>  
>  Sorry to go off on a tech tangent after you've rightly pointed out
>  that this isn't simply a matter of choosing the right tech, but I'd
>  like to ask the list for a bit of advice regarding secure deletion
>  from SSDs.
>  
>  Secure deletion is a problem we could solve in software, by encrypting
>  the data and then destroying the key to render the data unrecoverable,
>  *if* we had a few bytes of persistent, erasable storage in which to
>  store the key. (Storing the key on the SSD itself doesn't work,
>  because then we can't securely delete the key.)
>  
>  I'm not aware of any suitable storage on current smartphones or
>  personal computers, so we may need to ask device manufacturers to add
>  (simple, inexpensive) hardware to their devices to support secure
>  deletion.
>  
>  So I have two questions for the list: who should we try to persuade,
>  and how should we persuade them?
>  
>  Cheers,
>  Michael
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